Internet Exploder

I really hate Internet Explorer. It’s a web designer’s nightmare due to its lack of CSS standards compliance. If anyone has had or is having problems viewing my blog with IE, I’m sorry. I simply don’t have the time or the inclination to tweak my layout until IE doesn’t choke on it. If any of my readers wants to try their hand at fixing things, they have my blessing. Drop me a line via the contact form if you get things to look right (or fix the annoying stac overflow problem I’m having). I can’t give anything in return except a public thank you. Perhaps you’ll shave off some purgatory time for your efforts. 😉

Comments 9

  1. Peter wrote:

    If you’re on a Mac, I also recommend (for the moment) Shiira.

    Posted 02 Jun 2006 at 7:46 pm
  2. howard wrote:

    Perhaps youll shave off some purgatory time for your efforts.

    The real way to shave some time of that sentence would be to convert as many lost souls as possible from IE to Firefox (or pretty much any other browser I’ve tried).

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 3:58 am
  3. Curtis Edenfield wrote:

    I know you’ve seen this but here it is again.

    Put this on your site an spread the word

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 11:26 am
  4. Curtis Edenfield wrote:

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 11:27 am
  5. Peter wrote:

    Forget what I said about Shiira, at least in regard to viewing this site. The only browsers I can find that display this site readably are Firefox or Camino. Funny thing, they both use the same rendering engine.

    Meanwhile, Safari or Shiira, both of which use Apple’s rendering engine, display it badly, and apparently so does Internet Explorer.

    Until yesterday, all the browsers I regularly use (Safari, Shiira, and Firefox) displayed this site just fine. Now only one of them works (and also Camino). How exactly does that mean your site conforms to “standards” while the browsers that display it badly do not?

    I would think that “standards” would only embrace those things that are most broadly accepted, such that a site that conforms to standards would display correctly on the widest range of software. (In other words, “standards” aren’t what somebody declares, they’re what actually work.)

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 2:06 pm
  6. Funky Dung wrote:

    Well, my html- and css-fu aren’t good enough for me to be certain my site is standards compliant. As for what constitutes a standard, it’s no different from defining protocols like TCP/IP or Java syntax. The problem is when some people/companies think they’re too good/important for standards, like Microsoft. The whole point of a predefined common web language is for people to all see the same site rendered in the same way on all of their machines, regardless of platform. IE not only fails to render html and css according to specifications, it also renders code that works in no other browser.

    Anyhow, getting to more practical matters, if you could describe how my page renders improperly, you’d make my day. Even if, by luck, my site is fully standards compliant, I’d still like to use whatever workarounds are available to make it at least tolerable to view, if not entirely aesthetically pleasing.

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 10:43 pm
  7. Peter wrote:

    I can tell you what it looks like, but I can’t tell you why it looks that way.

    In Safari and Shiira, nothing shows up in columns. Rather, on the main page, I see your title banner at the top, followed by all the most recent entries, followed by content that ought to be in the left-hand sidebar, followed by content that ought to be in the right-hand sidebar.

    On pages for individual entries, I see content that ought to be in the left-hand sidebar, followed by content that ought to be in the right-hand sidebar, followed by the entry itself, the comments, and this comment box.

    The background color for everything is that olive color that’s usually just around the edges and between the columns. Except for the bodies of your entries, all font sizes look like they’re a good four points too large, if not more.

    Nothing overlaps or is inaccessible, but the whole thing is bloody hideous. Plus, with all all the content showing up without columns and most of the text in extra large font sizes, pages are very long for scrolling through.

    Posted 03 Jun 2006 at 11:30 pm
  8. Mythanos wrote:

    Oddly enough (considering the title and subject), Internet Explorer 7 Beta seems to work perfectly here. Hope for the future, I suppose…

    Posted 04 Jun 2006 at 3:39 pm
  9. howard wrote:

    Yeah, for me too. I don’t know about the 6.x versions (I know it used to mangle it when I still had the earlier version), but IE 7 beta 2 looks fine.

    And contrary to what Peter suggests, I think that your site should look fairly okay in most browsers. It looks okay in all the browsers I have on my machine (FF 1.5, Opera 8.5, Netscape 7.2 and IE7 Beta 2). I actually just emailed you screenshots to that effect.

    Interestingly, the fact that IE 7 is an improvement seems to support your thoughts about standards compliance. Hopefully that’s the wave of the future.

    Posted 04 Jun 2006 at 11:15 pm

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