Going It Alone

There was a very interesting Marty Minto show recently. His Catholic producer, Shaun "Powerball" Pierce, received a booklet by R.C. Sproul called "Justification by Faith Alone". In it, Sproul examines what justification is according to Scripture, compares the Roman Catholic and evangelical stances on this core doctrine, and discusses the relationship of faith and works–all to show why "by faith alone" is so essential. As Sproul puts it, "The crucial issue of infusion versus imputation remains irreconcilable. We are either justified by a righteousness that is in us or by a righteousness that is apart from us. There is no third way." Pierce’s Catholic sensibilities were offended and a two-page response was the result. I’ve obtained his permission to reprint it here. I’d like to hear your reactions to it.

Sola Fide/ Sola Scriptura
Shaun Pierce

The issue of Sola fide or justification by faith alone has caused a great divide between Christians. The concept that faith in Christ is both necessary and sufficient for sinners to be granted salvation is very inviting and inclusive, while at the same time it is dangerously misleading. For it is the very question of how we obtain salvation. Sola fide is at the core of evangelical Christianity and it is the very thing that flaws the beliefs of Christians who embrace the concept, despite the best of intentions.

Faith is necessary for salvation but not sufficient. Anyone who claims Sola fide is an error because, in addition to believing, God also requires obedience as a prerequisite for acceptance into his kingdom, and for eternal life. Multiple examples of this are found throughout the Scriptures. (Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven., Matthew 19:16-21, 1 Corinthians 9:24-27, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Timothy 6:17-19, Revelations 22:12)

When any ecclesiastical body accepts Sola fide as it is commonly understood; it divides itself from the historical true church as well as God. The outward appearance may be one of true believers living a Christian life; however, essentials of the faith are abandoned and disregarded by human authority and not divine guidance. This produces a corruption of the Christian faith.

The relationship between faith and good works needs to be closely considered by all Christians. We must understand, the further one strays from the true church, the less defined these issues become as our ability to recognize truth becomes clouded. We then unknowingly place our own beliefs, interpretations and opinions above God. For even at the start of the Reformation, differences appeared. The Epistle of James proclaims the importance of good works. This was rejected by Martin Luther. John Calvin wrote of the necessity of good works as a consequence of faith. This differed in ways from Luther’s belief.

You can quote scripture both for and against Sola fide. Acts 16:31 tells us "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." That seems clear until you read James Chapter two: "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works?" James asks the question "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?"

It must be made clear that no doctrine saves us. It is ultimately Christ who saves us. All Christians would agree on this. However, do not fall under the assumption that just because you have a personal relationship with Christ you are saved. Remember, even the devil has a personal relationship with Christ. We are even warned of this in scripture:

1 Corinthians 10:12 "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

In order to fully understand how we are truly justified and saved, you must understand and accept that authority and the basis of Christianity comes not only from scripture but also from Christian tradition through the Church. It is this tradition passed down through the ages along with the Bible that is the source of authority.

Nowhere in the bible does it say "by faith alone" yet this accepted by those who claim Sola Scriptura, or the scripture to be the exclusive authority and not the Church. Traditionally the church has been the interpreter of Scripture. The faithful were taught scripture by the church established by Christ and his followers. Once one abandons the original Church and it’s traditions in exchange for their own interpretation through Sola Scriptura, they reverse the order that was originally intended and thereby distort the ability to determine what is or is not acceptable as Christians.

It is important to note that Sola Scriptura did not originally reject the authority of the Church, rather it sought to regulate the teaching of the Church and it’s traditions through the use of scripture. This was done in an attempt to shield the church from the influence of man. Ironically, the Sola Scriptura concept itself brought into Christianity the influence of man and opened the door to the very thing it sought to avoid.

The Reformation movement challenged the Roman church and targeted the traditions and central issues of the Christian faith. The Church declared that Scripture itself was handed down through its traditions and therefore could not be a single and exclusive authority. Old and New Testament Scripture were handed down through oral presentation, writing and documents produced and collected by the Church. The proper interpretation was and remains the duty of that church. It was men who were now demanding the church change. To do this would have meant the Church would acknowledge it had no divine guidance as it bowed to pressure, it would have lost all credibility with the faithful and it would have invalidated it’s teaching over the ages. In essence, to concede to the Reformers would have meant a total distortion of Christianity.

From the beginning, the Reformers sparked a destructive force that divides those seeking Christ today. There was no agreement or consistency among the various Protestant movements. The attempt to gain control of the faithful and abandon the traditional church in favor of a new church based solely on Scripture failed and continues to fail. The result is Protestants not only against the Roman Church but against each other with very different views on tradition and scripture. The reformers could not establish a single group with shared common beliefs and so the fragmentation that began, continues with the thousands of denominations today.

The Bible is not meant to be privately interpreted. If it were we would all have a universal belief. We are all to study and know the word of God but to rely on our own interpretation without the guidance of the church is arrogant and irresponsible. To do so means we must be infallible and believe that divine truth has been revealed to us and not the original Church. This results in each person believing different things based on the same scripture. For without the Church in the position of authority, there in an inconsistency in interpretation among Christians. To determine the correct interpretation of Scripture, we must refer back to the original Church authority to learn how the Church has believed through the ages. The Church becomes the final authority on Scripture.

If one openly examines Sola Scriptura they will find it to be at best a theological assumption. Yet the very same scripture does not tell us that it is sufficient, self-authenticating or self-interpreting. Under this assumption many Christians claim the Bible as the only source for the faith. They have recklessly abandoned many traditional Christian beliefs not because the are forbidden by the Scriptures, but because they are not found in the Bible. While scripture tells us that not everything is found in the bible. (John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.")

So today we face the results of the Reformation. The authority of the Church has been challenged, we all claim to know the truth and the disunity, destructive rhetoric, and division among all Christians is no doubt beyond the wildest intentions of the men who sought to reform the church.

For those wondering, Minto’s reaction was to say that to reject sola scriptura was to put one’s salvation in jeopardy. In an email, I informed him that such a notion was nonsensical.

Either we are justified by faith alone or we are not. Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and members of some other churches do have faith in Jesus. We have faith that Jesus Christ died for our sins, that He is the Way, the Truth, and Life, and that none shall see the Father except through Him. We recite and believe the same creeds he does.

If, as he says, faith alone is enough for salvation, then we who have faith are saved. To say otherwise is to imply that faith alone is insufficient. Evidently, to him we are justified by faith in Christ and belief that faith alone is enough. This is paradoxical and makes no sense. If I believe that I must work out my salvation with fear and trembling, will I not do more than what he claims is necessary, not less? You can’t say, "You are saved if you have faith, unless you believe that faith is insufficient and that salvation can be lost."

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About Funky Dung

Who is Funky Dung? 29-year-old grad student in Intelligent Systems (A.I.) at the University of Pittsburgh. I consider myself to be politically moderate and independent and somewhere between a traditional and neo-traditional Catholic. I was raised Lutheran, spent a number of years as an agnostic, and joined the Catholic Church at the 2000 Easter Vigil. Why Funky Dung? I haven't been asked this question nearly as many times as you or I might expect. Funky Dung is a reference to an obscure Pink Floyd song. On the album Atom Heart Mother, there is a track called Atom Heart Mother Suite. It's broken up into movements, like a symphony, and one of the movements is called Funky Dung. I picked that nickname a long time ago (while I was still in high school I think), shortly after getting an internet connection for the first time. To me it means "cool/neat/groovy/spiffy stuff/crap/shiznit", as in "That's some cool stuff, dude!" Whence Ales Rarus? I used to enjoy making people guess what this means, but I've decided to relent and make it known to all. Ales Rarus is a Latin play on words. "Avis rarus" means "a rare bird" and carries similar meaning to "an odd fellow". "Ales" is another Latin word for bird that carries connotations of omens, signs of the times, and/or augery. If you want to get technical, both "avis" and "ales" are feminine (requiring "rara", but they can be made masculine in poetry (which tends to breaks lots of rules). I decided I'd rather have a masculine name in Latin. ;) Yeah, I'm a nerd. So what? :-P Wherefore blog? It is my intention to "teach in order to lead others to faith" by being always "on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful" through the "use of the communications media". I also act knowing that I "have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors [my] opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and [I] have a right to make [my] opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward [my and their] pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons." (adapted from CCC 904-907) Statement of Faith I have been baptized and confirmed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I, therefore, renounce Satan; I renounce all his works; I renounce all his allurements. I hold and profess all that is contained in the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno- Constantinopolitan Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. Having been buried with Christ unto death and raised up with him unto a new life, I promise to live no longer for myself or for that world which is the enemy of God but for him who died for me and rose again, serving God, my heavenly Father, faithfully and unto death in the holy Catholic Church. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. That is, I promote and defend authentic Catholic Teaching and Faith in union with Christ and His Church and in union with the Holy Father, the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter. Thanks be unto Thee, O my God, for all Thy infinite goodness, and, especially, for the love Thou hast shown unto me at my Confirmation. I Give Thee thanks that Thou didst then send down Thy Holy Spirit unto my soul with all His gifts and graces. May He take full possession of me for ever. May His divine unction cause my face to shine. May His heavenly wisdom reign in my heart. May His understanding enlighten my darkness. May His counsel guide me. May His knowledge instruct me. May His piety make me fervent. May His divine fear keep me from all evil. Drive from my soul, O Lord, all that may defile it. Give me grace to be Thy faithful soldier, that having fought the good fight of faith, I may be brought to the crown of everlasting life, through the merits of Thy dearly beloved Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Behind the Curtain: an Interview With Funky Dung (Thursday, March 03, 2005) I try to avoid most memes that make their way 'round the blogosphere (We really do need a better name, don't we?), but some are worth participating in. Take for instance the "interview game" that's the talk o' the 'sphere. I think it's a great way to get to know the people in neighborhood. Who are the people in your neighborhood? In your neighborhod? In your neigh-bor-hoo-ood...*smack* Sorry, Sesame Street flashback. Anyhow, I saw Jeff "Curt Jester" Miller's answers and figured since he's a regular reader of mine he'd be a good interviewer. Without further ado, here are my answers to his questions. 1. Being that your pseudonym Funky Dung was chosen from a Pink Floyd track on Atom Heart Mother, what is you favorite Pink Floyd song and why? Wow. That's a tuffy. It's hard to pick out a single favorite. Pink Floyd isn't really a band known for singles. They mostly did album rock and my appreciation of them is mostly of a gestalt nature. If I had to pick one, though, it'd be "Comfortably Numb". I get chills up my spine every time I hear it and if it's been long enough since the last time, I get midty-eyed. I really don't know why. That's a rather unsatisfying answer for an interview, so here are the lyrics to a Rush song. It's not their best piece of music, but the lyrics describe me pretty well.

New World Man He's a rebel and a runner He's a signal turning green He's a restless young romantic Wants to run the big machine He's got a problem with his poisons But you know he'll find a cure He's cleaning up his systems To keep his nature pure Learning to match the beat of the old world man Learning to catch the heat of the third world man He's got to make his own mistakes And learn to mend the mess he makes He's old enough to know what's right But young enough not to choose it He's noble enough to win the world But weak enough to lose it --- He's a new world man... He's a radio receiver Tuned to factories and farms He's a writer and arranger And a young boy bearing arms He's got a problem with his power With weapons on patrol He's got to walk a fine line And keep his self-control Trying to save the day for the old world man Trying to pave the way for the third world man He's not concerned with yesterday He knows constant change is here today He's noble enough to know what's right But weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world But fool enough to lose it --- He's a new world man...
2. What do you consider your most important turning point from agnosticism to the Catholic Church. At some point in '99, I started attending RCIA at the Pittsburgh Oratory. I mostly went to ask a lot of obnoxious Protestant questions. Or at least that's what I told myself. I think deep down I wanted desperately to have faith again. At that point I think I'd decided that if any variety of Christianity had the Truth, the Catholic Church did. Protestantism's wholesale rejection of 1500 years of tradition didn't sit well with me, even as a former Lutheran. During class one week, Sister Bernadette Young (who runs the program) passed out thin booklet called "Handbook for Today's Catholic". One paragraph in that book spoke to me and I nearly cried as I read it.
"A person who is seeking deeper insight into reality may sometimes have doubts, even about God himself. Such doubts do not necessarily indicate lack of faith. They may be just the opposite - a sign of growing faith. Faith is alive and dynamic. It seeks, through grace, to penetrate into the very mystery of God. If a particular doctrine of faith no longer 'makes sense' to a person, the person should go right on seeking. To know what a doctrine says is one thing. To gain insight into its meaning through the gift of understanding is something else. When in doubt, 'Seek and you will find.' The person who seeks y reading, discussing, thinking, or praying eventually sees the light. The person who talks to God even when God is 'not there' is alive with faith."
At the end of class I told Sr. Bernadette that I wanted to enter the Church at the next Easter vigil. 3. If you were a tree what kind of, oh sorry about that .. what is the PODest thing you have ever done? I set up WikiIndex, a clearinghouse for reviews of theological books, good, bad, and ugly. It has a long way to go, but it'll be cool when it's finished. :) 4. What is your favorite quote from Venerable John Henry Newman? "Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt." 5. If you could ban one hymn from existence, what would it be? That's a tough one. As a member of the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas, there are obviously a lot of songs that grate on my nerves. If I had to pick one, though, I'd probably pick "Sing of the Lord's Goodness" by Ernie Sands.

4 thoughts on “Going It Alone

  1. Tom

    “As to the visible church, it may be that protestants and catholics never agree about an institutional church. But is it possible that we could agree that the unity for which Christ prayed is not now extant and should be a common goal?”

    I think that unity of belief is definitely a fine goal to have, and we should all seek it. But by the same token, I’m not holding my breath. The unity that many liberal Catholics seek to have is one that denies many tenets of our faith. I’m sure that many Protestants who seek to unite the “separated brethren” try the same things. We have to watch out for this type of thing; it’s not a true unity, but a union of pseudo-Catholics with pseudo-Protestants.

  2. steve


    To be fair to evangelical protestants, most would say that “we are saved by faith alone, but saving faith is never alone”–implying works necessarily accompany (actually, follow) faith.

    And to continue to be fair to evangelical protestants, most who think it through would not add a requirement (“work”) to faith that one must have faith in “faith alone.” This is not to say that many have thought it through. Most haven’t. But the more dialogue we have with our Catholic brothers & sisters, the more likely this thinking thru process becomes; and the better chance there is for the unity of believers, for which our Lord prayed.

    I’ve come to liken the faith vs. works problem to the wave-particle duality in physics. As Christians, we are faced with two unalterable (and seemingly contradictory) truths:

    A) Faith Principle–whoever believes in him shall not perish


    B) Works Principle–without holiness, no one will see the Lord

    I conclude that both statements refer to the same reality: redemption. The two statements are different observations of that same reality. If the true nature of electron cannot be fully visualized by mortal minds, but rather understood only in two seeminly contradictory ways, how much more incomprehensible to us ought be “so great a salvation” provided by the Father? Thus scripture paints (at least) two different pictures, both equally valid. How these coexist in actuality is left as an exercise in eternity.


    As to the visible church, it may be that protestants and catholics never agree about an institutional church. But is it possible that we could agree that the unity for which Christ prayed is not now extant and should be a common goal? I mean, unity may be a bit like pornography: it is difficult to define, but I know when I’m not seeing it!


  3. Tom Smith

    I agree with the main thrust of the argument in the article. But the author gives away that he is Catholic right here:

    “Nowhere in the bible does it say ‘by faith alone’ yet this accepted by those who claim Sola Scriptura, or the scripture to be the exclusive authority and not the Church. Traditionally the church has been the interpreter of Scripture. The faithful were taught scripture by the church established by Christ and his followers. Once one abandons the original Church and it’s traditions in exchange for their own interpretation through Sola Scriptura, they reverse the order that was originally intended and thereby distort the ability to determine what is or is not acceptable as Christians.”

    Protestants merely have to point to their belief that the Church was intended not as a visible institution but as a vague “community of believers,” in which individual revelation is the goal. It really all comes back to the question of whether or not Christ wanted to found a visible Church or not. Obviously, Catholics and the Orthodox (as well as a few Anglicans, most of whom have coverted to Catholicism) would contend that Christ did mean to create an institutional Church, whilst Protestants maintain that he didn’t.

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