Talking Heads

After having a nice chat with some friends, walking home in the brisk fall breezes, and catching up on my email, I can now sit down to record my thoughts on the presidential debate. I thought about having a transcript in front of me as I write, but decided against it. I want to record my perceptions, bias and all. I think my mistakes or wrong impressions might be at least as interesting as what I get right.

Before proceeding to my impressions, I want to make it abundantly clear that I’m not a fan of Bush or Kerry. I don’t intend to vote for either. I did not go into the viewing experience rooting for one over the other. To me, it was like watching a football game between teams that mean little or nothing to me. I just want to see good football. In this case, I just wanted to see a good debate.

Now, without further ado…

I decided to watch the debate on C-SPAN. I figured that way I’d get it unadulterated and spin-free, and I was right. There was no commentary before or after. While the networks were likely feeding the public hype to rival the Superbowl pre-game show, my co-viewers and I were treated to some "behind-the-scenes" preparations as Lehrer told the audience what to expect and counted down to broadcast.

As I watched the debate, I took notes as a sort of rough transcript. It’s imperfect, my handwriting is rushed and messy, and my shorthand might inaccurately reflect the answers given. However, I think it helped me to listen critically and better absorb the information bombarding me. By the end, I really wished I had a TiVo, so I could pause and rewind the broadcast. Pardon me if I lapse into first-person. It makes life easier. I won’t use quotes, though, because I only have the paraphrases I jotted down in a hurry.

The first question was to Kerry. Would he do a better job at preventing another 9/11-type tragedy? Before answering the question, he took time to thank people and express sympathy for what Floridians have endured and admiration for how they endured it. This annoyed me because it didn’t seem sincere. Rather, it struck me as butt-kissing. Answering the question, he said that he intended to build alliances; that he had a better plan for strengthening our position in the world; that he would reach out to the Muslim world. As he answered, I noticed that his hands were shaking quite a bit and he looked a bit pale.

Bush replied with a statistic of 75% Al-Qaida members captured or killed. He pointed out how many people in Afghanistan are registered to vote. Saddam is in prison. Libya is disarmed. He said the world is safer because Afghanistan and Iraq are free nations, because free nations reject terror.

The next question was to Bush. Would electing Kerry increase America’s chance of suffering another terrorist tragedy? He quipped that it wouldn’t happen (i.e. the election of Kerry) because America knows he can lead. That was a rather cocky statement for a man with such a low approval rating. He then evaded the question by describing what he’s doing and intends to do, if reelected, to prevent another tragedy. Bush looks calm, cool, and collected.

Kerry rebutted by saying that we have to be strong, resolute, determined, and smart. Iraq is a distraction. Bush made a colossal error in judgment. I have a whole bunch of military buddies who’ll line up to say that I’d be a better Commander in Chief. Four out of five dentists..er..soldiers prefer?

Lehrer asked Kerry to elaborate on the colossal error in judgment he referred to. Bush abandoned the U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq. He pushed allies aside and failed to make a true alliance. He promised to invasion would be a last resort, but didn’t act that way. He misspent money on the war in Iraq.

Bush rebutted that Kerry declared in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a great threat. He cited other Kerry statements about Hussein and Iraq that I was too slow to jot down. They were good zingers – Kerry’s words used against him. Kerry saw the same intelligence he saw. The U.N. passed a resolution telling Hussein to disarm or else. America provided the "or else".

Bush was asked whether it was wise to be spending money on both Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. He reiterated that 75% of Al-Qaida had been brought to justice. Terrorism is a global problem, so there must be more than one focus. Iraqis want to be free. I forget how he tied that statement in.

Kerry rebutted that Iraq is “not even close” to the center of the war on terror. Bush rushed ahead without a plan to win the peace. Families of soldiers buy body armor off the internet and send it to Iraq. Most HumVees are not armored. If either is true, that reflects rather poorly on the military and the commander in chief. Each successive month brings more deaths than the last. Not enough troops were sent to Iraq.

Bush replied by pointing out that Kerry authorized the use of force in Iraq. If we say “wrong war, wrong place, wrong time”, what kind of message does that send our troops?? the Iraqi people?? our allies?

Kerry said that we can’t leave Iraq as a failure, but it’s still a mistake to not focus on OBL.

Kerry was asked what he would specifically do to increase homeland security. He pointed out that Bush wanted a $500 million extension of funding for Iraqi police, but cop programs in the U.S. are being cut. Money is spent on Iraqi firefighters, but firefighters in America are losing their jobs. To me, that sounds like America cares only about Americans, so screw y’all. Tax cuts are not more important that homeland security. Nuclear power and chemical plants are more important to protect than oil. There are a lot of loose nukes in the world and Bush isn’t doing enough to collect them.

Bush wanted to know how we’d pay for everything Kerry wants, but said “that’s another debate”. The border patrol has been beefed up. The department of Homeland Security was created. We need to stay on the offensive. We changed the culture of the FBI. Counter-terrorism is now their #1 priority. We passed the Patriot Act. Gee, that makes me feel safe. It’s like the Red Scare all over again.

Kerry disputed whether the culture of the FBI had changed, saying that there are thousands of tapes that have not been listened to, and one of them may contain clues to the next attack. The tax cut was not needed and that money could have been spent on security.

Bush was asked when he’d bring the troops home. He said that Iraqi troops are being trained to eventually take the place of our troops. Freedom in Iraq will never succeed if Iraqis don’t take matters into their own hands. The best indication of when the troops will come home is when the objective has been achieved, i.e. when Iraqis stand up for themselves. When Iraq is ready to defend itself, has free elections, and is a free nation, the job will be done. He wants them home ASAP, but won’t impose any artificial deadlines. Kerry says he’d have the troops out in six months, but we can’t do that and expect to win. He addressed the soldiers saying they’ll be home when the mission’s done.

Kerry thanked the troops and said that help is on the way. He told a story about two soldiers who said to him, “We need you”. He stated that Bush, Sr. didn’t go past Basra because there was no exit plan. I thought it was because the U.N. said not to invade and occupy. He then made a gratuitous reference to Vietnam, saying that he knows how it feels to be in a war with no exit plan.

Bush countered that Kerry’s statements are not the kind of message that the Commander in Chief should give to troops. It’s hard to believe help is on the way when Kerry votes against an $87 billion supplemental for the military. Ouch.

Kerry: I misspoke when I talked about the supplemental. Bush made a mistake. Which is worse?? He made yet another unnecessary reference to Vietnam that I didn’t bother to write down.

Kerry was asked if Americans were dying for a mistake. I thought Saddam Hussein was a threat. Bush made promises about planning carefully, but didn’t deliver. Invading Iraq in response to 9/11 is like if Roosevelt had invaded Mexico in response to Pearl Harbor. Zing! The U.N. was not properly invited to participate.

Bush: That’s absurd. We had no allies?? What, then, do you say to Tony Blair?? to Poland?? You can’t denigrate their contributions. Join us for a grand diversion??!?? Now Kerry appears to be dismissing our allies. Slick move.

Kerry: The U.N. offered to help after Baghdad fell, but we rejected their help. Three countries do not a grand coalition make.

Bush replied that there are thirty nations now. We can’t lead the world by insulting soldiers.

Bush was asked what miscalculations were made in Iraq and how they happened. Our soldiers did such a great job that we moved more rapidly than expected. Most of the enemy soldiers and disappeared and we’re fighting them now. It’s hard but necessary work. I’m optimistic. We won’t achieve our goals with mixed signals to our troops, friends, and Iraqi citizens. We have a plan. It’s hard to go from tyranny to democracy. A free Iraq makes the world a more peaceful place. But that’s not the reasoning you gave for invading. We did so under false pretenses.

Kerry said that even without an imminent threat, Bush would have acted the same way. He would not. Truth makes good policy. If the world respects Bush so much, why do our allies in Iraq amount to peanuts, rather than a genuine coalition?? We’re suffering 90% of the casualties and bearing 90% of the cost. BTW, while we’re busy in Iraq, North Korea is busy making nukes.

Kerry was asked to give specific examples of how Bush lied about Iraq. I never used the word “lie”. Nukes in Iraq didn’t really exist. The coalition was phony. He didn’t exhaust the U.N. He rushed ahead without a plan for afterwards. He mislead about planning carefully. He did not invade as a last resort. Osama Bin Laden uses our actions in Iraq to build anti-American sentiment in the Arab world. OBL was indeed hoping that we would invade Iraq and that it would rally the Arabs in jihad against the U.S., but that doesn’t seem to be happening.

Bush said that OBL doesn’t decide our defense policies. Kerry didn’t mislead when he spoke for attacking Iraq. As politics change, Kerry’s positions change. He saw the same intelligence I saw.

Kerry: I wasn’t misleading, but there should have been more diplomacy. There’s a right way and a wrong way to do things.

Bush said Kerry’s only consistency is inconsistency. You can’t do that and win. We have a duty to achieve a free Iraq and a free Afghanistan.

[This is going to take quite a while to finish and I’m tired. I’ll leave you in suspense while I get some sleep. As a preview, I’ll say that I think Bush won the debate. Kerry was evasive, mentioned Vietnam too many times, repeatedly broke the rules, brought up unrelated topics that could alienate the middle, and provided mostly hand-waving. Bush, while sometimes lapsing into uncomfortable silences, kept his cool, followed the rules, generally stayed on topic with his answers, and had real plans to talk about. While he wasn’t stellar, he didn’t have to be. The ball was in Kerry’s court, and from what I observed, he dropped it. As an aside, I’ll add that both annoyed me with their repetition of catch-phrases that their handlers undoubtedly urged them to memorize. – Funky]

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About Funky Dung

Who is Funky Dung? 29-year-old grad student in Intelligent Systems (A.I.) at the University of Pittsburgh. I consider myself to be politically moderate and independent and somewhere between a traditional and neo-traditional Catholic. I was raised Lutheran, spent a number of years as an agnostic, and joined the Catholic Church at the 2000 Easter Vigil. Why Funky Dung? I haven't been asked this question nearly as many times as you or I might expect. Funky Dung is a reference to an obscure Pink Floyd song. On the album Atom Heart Mother, there is a track called Atom Heart Mother Suite. It's broken up into movements, like a symphony, and one of the movements is called Funky Dung. I picked that nickname a long time ago (while I was still in high school I think), shortly after getting an internet connection for the first time. To me it means "cool/neat/groovy/spiffy stuff/crap/shiznit", as in "That's some cool stuff, dude!" Whence Ales Rarus? I used to enjoy making people guess what this means, but I've decided to relent and make it known to all. Ales Rarus is a Latin play on words. "Avis rarus" means "a rare bird" and carries similar meaning to "an odd fellow". "Ales" is another Latin word for bird that carries connotations of omens, signs of the times, and/or augery. If you want to get technical, both "avis" and "ales" are feminine (requiring "rara", but they can be made masculine in poetry (which tends to breaks lots of rules). I decided I'd rather have a masculine name in Latin. ;) Yeah, I'm a nerd. So what? :-P Wherefore blog? It is my intention to "teach in order to lead others to faith" by being always "on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful" through the "use of the communications media". I also act knowing that I "have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors [my] opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and [I] have a right to make [my] opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward [my and their] pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons." (adapted from CCC 904-907) Statement of Faith I have been baptized and confirmed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I, therefore, renounce Satan; I renounce all his works; I renounce all his allurements. I hold and profess all that is contained in the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno- Constantinopolitan Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. Having been buried with Christ unto death and raised up with him unto a new life, I promise to live no longer for myself or for that world which is the enemy of God but for him who died for me and rose again, serving God, my heavenly Father, faithfully and unto death in the holy Catholic Church. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. That is, I promote and defend authentic Catholic Teaching and Faith in union with Christ and His Church and in union with the Holy Father, the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter. Thanks be unto Thee, O my God, for all Thy infinite goodness, and, especially, for the love Thou hast shown unto me at my Confirmation. I Give Thee thanks that Thou didst then send down Thy Holy Spirit unto my soul with all His gifts and graces. May He take full possession of me for ever. May His divine unction cause my face to shine. May His heavenly wisdom reign in my heart. May His understanding enlighten my darkness. May His counsel guide me. May His knowledge instruct me. May His piety make me fervent. May His divine fear keep me from all evil. Drive from my soul, O Lord, all that may defile it. Give me grace to be Thy faithful soldier, that having fought the good fight of faith, I may be brought to the crown of everlasting life, through the merits of Thy dearly beloved Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Behind the Curtain: an Interview With Funky Dung (Thursday, March 03, 2005) I try to avoid most memes that make their way 'round the blogosphere (We really do need a better name, don't we?), but some are worth participating in. Take for instance the "interview game" that's the talk o' the 'sphere. I think it's a great way to get to know the people in neighborhood. Who are the people in your neighborhood? In your neighborhod? In your neigh-bor-hoo-ood...*smack* Sorry, Sesame Street flashback. Anyhow, I saw Jeff "Curt Jester" Miller's answers and figured since he's a regular reader of mine he'd be a good interviewer. Without further ado, here are my answers to his questions. 1. Being that your pseudonym Funky Dung was chosen from a Pink Floyd track on Atom Heart Mother, what is you favorite Pink Floyd song and why? Wow. That's a tuffy. It's hard to pick out a single favorite. Pink Floyd isn't really a band known for singles. They mostly did album rock and my appreciation of them is mostly of a gestalt nature. If I had to pick one, though, it'd be "Comfortably Numb". I get chills up my spine every time I hear it and if it's been long enough since the last time, I get midty-eyed. I really don't know why. That's a rather unsatisfying answer for an interview, so here are the lyrics to a Rush song. It's not their best piece of music, but the lyrics describe me pretty well.

New World Man He's a rebel and a runner He's a signal turning green He's a restless young romantic Wants to run the big machine He's got a problem with his poisons But you know he'll find a cure He's cleaning up his systems To keep his nature pure Learning to match the beat of the old world man Learning to catch the heat of the third world man He's got to make his own mistakes And learn to mend the mess he makes He's old enough to know what's right But young enough not to choose it He's noble enough to win the world But weak enough to lose it --- He's a new world man... He's a radio receiver Tuned to factories and farms He's a writer and arranger And a young boy bearing arms He's got a problem with his power With weapons on patrol He's got to walk a fine line And keep his self-control Trying to save the day for the old world man Trying to pave the way for the third world man He's not concerned with yesterday He knows constant change is here today He's noble enough to know what's right But weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world But fool enough to lose it --- He's a new world man...
2. What do you consider your most important turning point from agnosticism to the Catholic Church. At some point in '99, I started attending RCIA at the Pittsburgh Oratory. I mostly went to ask a lot of obnoxious Protestant questions. Or at least that's what I told myself. I think deep down I wanted desperately to have faith again. At that point I think I'd decided that if any variety of Christianity had the Truth, the Catholic Church did. Protestantism's wholesale rejection of 1500 years of tradition didn't sit well with me, even as a former Lutheran. During class one week, Sister Bernadette Young (who runs the program) passed out thin booklet called "Handbook for Today's Catholic". One paragraph in that book spoke to me and I nearly cried as I read it.
"A person who is seeking deeper insight into reality may sometimes have doubts, even about God himself. Such doubts do not necessarily indicate lack of faith. They may be just the opposite - a sign of growing faith. Faith is alive and dynamic. It seeks, through grace, to penetrate into the very mystery of God. If a particular doctrine of faith no longer 'makes sense' to a person, the person should go right on seeking. To know what a doctrine says is one thing. To gain insight into its meaning through the gift of understanding is something else. When in doubt, 'Seek and you will find.' The person who seeks y reading, discussing, thinking, or praying eventually sees the light. The person who talks to God even when God is 'not there' is alive with faith."
At the end of class I told Sr. Bernadette that I wanted to enter the Church at the next Easter vigil. 3. If you were a tree what kind of, oh sorry about that .. what is the PODest thing you have ever done? I set up WikiIndex, a clearinghouse for reviews of theological books, good, bad, and ugly. It has a long way to go, but it'll be cool when it's finished. :) 4. What is your favorite quote from Venerable John Henry Newman? "Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt." 5. If you could ban one hymn from existence, what would it be? That's a tough one. As a member of the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas, there are obviously a lot of songs that grate on my nerves. If I had to pick one, though, I'd probably pick "Sing of the Lord's Goodness" by Ernie Sands.

5 thoughts on “Talking Heads

  1. EmilyE

    I think both of them were evasive. Kerry was more poised vocally (in that he didn’t pause as much as Bush), but his hands were shaking a bit, as you noticed.

    But both of them had their little catchphrases. “90 percent of the casualties, 90 percent of the costs” (Kerry) “Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time” (Bush)

  2. Tom Smith

    I was just uncomfortable with how often they said, “I’m gonna hunt down and kill the terrorists! Kill!”

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    In an unrelated note that I thought might interest you, I found out that a Resurreccifix is properly known as a Christus Victor (but it’s still illicit).

  3. h2

    Was it just me, or did Bush look like he was medicated?

    He seemed to stumble, and I think he vastly over-used “wrong war… wrong time… wrong place” — often adding it in spaces where he didn’t seem to have any answer to the actual questions.

    I think it’s funny that you specifically saw Kerry as evasive; I don’t think either one of them came that close to answering any questions — but Bush seemed incredibly distracted, if not distracting.

    On pure debating points, I think Kerry came across as more coherent, even if his answers weren’t always practical…

  4. Amy

    yeah… the catch-phrases were nuts. I personally kinda like George Bush, but honestly how many times can he remind us that Kerry said wrong war wrong time whatever it was that he said. (see? catch phrase didn’t work… I don’t remember it *grin*)
    Can’t wait to read the rest. Off to work I go!

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