Electoral College

I'm inclined to agree, at least superficially, with the New York Times in their desire to scrap the electoral college. Most of the problems I have with it could be fixed without eliminating the system, though.

  • Require that all states handle electors the same way.
  • Use instant runoff voting.
  • Give each congressional district an elector.
  • Designate each elector's vote based on the winner of the runoff winner in each district.

While we're talking about fixing systems, I'd like to mention that the current primary/causus system sucks. Federal elections should be handled uniformly. States can run their elections however they please, but federal elections should be within federal pervue. All of the primaries (or caucuses) should be run by the same rules and the elections should be held on the same day. Furthermore, instant runoff should be used. The current Frankensteinian system is riduculous. By the time primaries reach PA, for instance, all the good candidates have already dropped out.

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  1. h2 wrote:

    I always resented that the good choices were gone by the time the primaries rolled around to PA too, but you know it would be a death struggle to get all of this in the hands of the feds.

    I'm not even sure how it would bump up against the whole "states' rights" issue yet.

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    Posted 30 Aug 2004 at 10:34 pm
  2. Funky Dung wrote:

    I don't think my suggestions would interfere with states' rights because federal elections are a federal responsibility.

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    Posted 30 Aug 2004 at 10:42 pm
  3. theomorph wrote:

    I agree. It makes no sense at all to spread these things over months. We have the same problem out in CA, where our primary votes mean basically nothing.

    And the EC should be scrapped. Supposedly, it gives small states a bigger say in the elections, but that only makes sense if you are thinking of the federal government as elected by the states instead of by the people. Americans believe in popular elections, though, so we ought to have them. This is an old argument that is unique to American politics, because we have always tried to keep State governments from being administrative districts of the Federal government.

    Also, instant runoff voting with ranked votes should be standard all across the U.S.A., too. That's the only way a third party could ever break into the system, I think.

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    Posted 30 Aug 2004 at 11:18 pm
  4. h2 wrote:

    Currently, there are no federal elections in this country. Even general elections are subject to state and county oversight; the feds only get involved (and grudgingly so) when problems arise (i.e. the 2000 debacle).

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    Posted 31 Aug 2004 at 10:32 am
  5. h2 wrote:

    That said, I'm not suggesting popular elections are an inherently bad idea; just that these changes would represent huge legislative and constitutional shifts from the status quo. But if anyone wants to start the movement, I'd be on board with it…

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    Posted 31 Aug 2004 at 10:34 am
  6. John Thompson wrote:

    Just to clarify who runs elections:

    Article I Section 3 clause 1
    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

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    Posted 05 Sep 2004 at 12:21 am
  7. Funky Dung wrote:

    What about presidential elections? Under whose authority and oversight are they?

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    Posted 05 Sep 2004 at 1:09 am
  8. John Thompson wrote:

    Article II section 1 clause4
    The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

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    Posted 05 Sep 2004 at 1:18 am
  9. Funky Dung wrote:

    Would an amendment be required in order for Federal control of elector selection procedures to be constitutional?

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    Posted 05 Sep 2004 at 1:29 am
  10. John Thompson wrote:

    It's a really tricky issue. You'd have to ask a lawyer and really examine article II and the twelfth amendment (at the bare minimum) to figure it out for sure.

    What they could do is say that under the power from article 1 that all congressional elections must use a certain system, and then provide this system to the states, but make that aid contingent on them adopting a new method of selecting hte electors.

    It's bullshit, but it would work.

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    Posted 05 Sep 2004 at 4:03 pm

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