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The Not-So-Good News?

Adian Warnock has been taking some heat for his wife’s "simple gospel". I think he thinks I’m one of the people giving him flack. Honestly, I’m not. I read his post too quickly and then foolishly blogged based on a misconception. In my rush to catch up on the blogosphere, I didn’t notice he was posting about something his wife had presented to 4-7 year-olds. Had I noticed that, I probably wouldn’t have responded. That’s not to say I agree with all ten points she gave, but given they were meant for children, I probably wouldn’t have blogged about them.

Anyhow, Adrian didn’t approve of my response "The Gospel in 30 Seconds". He calls my views "totally false" and makes the claim that I stated "that we must EARN our salvation". This is not true. I did not say that we have earn salvation. I implied that faith without works is dead. I also implied that repentance isn’t a do-it-once-and-you’re-done thing. It’s something we must do all our lives. Sin has consequences. Even when God forgives us, we still must attempt to repair the damage we have caused to ourselves and to others. Not to do so is to not be sorrowful of our sins and truly repentant. Also, it is possible to lose salvation. There are sins that cannot be forgiven without explicit confession, contrition, and penance. There’s no such thing as "once saved, always saved". Neither I nor the Catholic Church believes that one must earn salvation.

Now that I’ve defended my impromptu over-simplification of 2000 years of soterilogy, I’d like to apologize to Adrian and his wife, in case either felt ganged up on. I’m big into interdenominational dialogue, reunification of the Mystical Body of Christ, and apologetics. I was hoping to spur discussion, not attack anyone’s faith or expression thereof.

Your blog is a regular read of mine, Adrian. Keep on keepin’ on. 🙂

Pax Christi

Mother Mary

"When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me,
speaking words of wisdom, let it be. " – The Beatles, Let it Be

Some recent exchanges with Protestant have revolved around Mary, her sinless nature, her perpetual virginity, and her role in Christian life. Due to Real Life™ responsibilities, I don’t have time to directly answer the most recent arguments opposing the Church’s view of Mary. These arguments may be found here:

Romanism and Ales Rarus, Part 1
Romanism and Ales Rarus, Part 2
Romanism, Ales Rarus, and Mary, a Reply

As a stop-gap, here are some old posts I wrote relating to this issue. Rather than require my readers to go into my archives, I’ve reproduced the relevant entries here.

Did Mary Have to be Sinless to Carry the Messiah?

Thanks to some free advertising from RasorsKiss, Ed "What the" Heckman, of The Greatest Pursuits, found my response to Rand’s screed and tossed in his two cents. It’s an intelligent, thought-provoking response. Here’s a sample:

Is it unreasonable to think that if God/Jesus was in intimate contact with ‘sinners’ before the formal end of that separation then there would be no problem with intimate contact with Mary in spite of her own sins?

If anything, the Bible implies that it was necessary for Mary to be a sinner. Consider this passage in Galations:

But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

(Gal. 4:4-5, NASB)

I’m not sure when I’ll have time to respond, so I hope some of my readers will help me out.

Purgatory Pickle

There is a very common misunderstanding among Evangelicals regarding purgatory.
This
Earnestly Contending (which, for reasons unknown has no commenting capability) post
,
a quote from Charles Spurgeon, represents well.

“But shall I tell you who the gentlemen are who generally raise objections to the glorious privilege of assurance? There are, first of all, the adherents of the Pope of Rome. Of course, the Papist does not like full assurance. And why? The Pope and his priest would have a lean larder if full assurance were well preached. Only conceive my brethren, if the Roman Catholic could get the full assurance of salvation, surely the Cardinals would hardly find money enough to buy their red hats. For where were purgatory then? Purgatory is an impossibility, if full assurance be possible. If a man knows himself to be saved, then he is not to be troubled with a silly fear about waiting in the intermediate state, to be purified with fire, before he can enter into heaven. Purgatory is only acceptable to those poor trembling souls who know of no sure salvation here, and are glad of this deceptive hope of a salvation to be wrought in the world to come. Purgatory being thus builded upon a lying imposition — on the fears of ignorant consciences, becomes what brave old Hugh Latimer used to call it, ‘Purgatory Pick-purse,’ to the poor sinner, and ‘Purgatory Fillpurse’ to the vagabond priest. Once let full assurance be given to all Christian men — first make the Romanist a Christian, and then let him be fully assured of his interest in Christ, and away goes purgatory, and there will never be a soul found to tremble at it any more.” – Charles H. Spurgeon; from a sermon on Sunday, April 28th, 1861(emphasis mine)

There is no salvation to be wrought after death, in purgatory or elsewhere. Even if Catholics believed in full assurance, they could believe in purgatory. Purgatory is not a destination, but a lay-over. Only those who are saved experience purgation, i.e cleansing. Nothing imperfect can enter the presense of God in heaven. Humans are certainly far from perfect. By the end of our lives, we have accumulated spiritual scar tissue that sin produces. Also, even the most saintly of individuals is not entirely conformed to Christ and His commands at death. Therefore, all stain of sin and its waste products must be purged from us before we enter the beatific vision.

UPDATE: Steve, a faithful reader, has provided some Scripture to support the need purgation.

“As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” – Luke 21:58-59

“According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it. Let each man take care how he builds upon it. For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” – 1 Corinthians 3:10-15

“And I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.” – Philippians 1:6

“But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven], nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” – Revelation 21:27

Catholic Anwers has an excellent defense of purgatorian doctrine that readers might enjoy. Apologist Mark Shea (a former Evangelical) wrote one, too. C.S. Lewis, a Protestant author and a favorite of mine, tossed in his two cents as well.