Bunkum

I’ve often heard from atheists that the Bible doesn’t stand up to academic scrutiny.
If they don’t trust the Bible, I imagine they wouldn’t waste their time discrediting
the Book of Mormon
. DNA evidence casts doubt (duh!) Mormon claims that
Israelites emigrated to the Americas 2,600 years ago, with the now-extinct Lamanites
and Nephites becoming the ancestors of American Indians. (Thanks, Relapsed
Catholic
)

This article made me think. What sorts of scientific research would cast doubt on
orthodox Christian beliefs? How would we respond? I invite my readers to come up
with answers to both hypothetical questions.

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About Funky Dung

Who is Funky Dung? 29-year-old grad student in Intelligent Systems (A.I.) at the University of Pittsburgh. I consider myself to be politically moderate and independent and somewhere between a traditional and neo-traditional Catholic. I was raised Lutheran, spent a number of years as an agnostic, and joined the Catholic Church at the 2000 Easter Vigil. Why Funky Dung? I haven't been asked this question nearly as many times as you or I might expect. Funky Dung is a reference to an obscure Pink Floyd song. On the album Atom Heart Mother, there is a track called Atom Heart Mother Suite. It's broken up into movements, like a symphony, and one of the movements is called Funky Dung. I picked that nickname a long time ago (while I was still in high school I think), shortly after getting an internet connection for the first time. To me it means "cool/neat/groovy/spiffy stuff/crap/shiznit", as in "That's some cool stuff, dude!" Whence Ales Rarus? I used to enjoy making people guess what this means, but I've decided to relent and make it known to all. Ales Rarus is a Latin play on words. "Avis rarus" means "a rare bird" and carries similar meaning to "an odd fellow". "Ales" is another Latin word for bird that carries connotations of omens, signs of the times, and/or augery. If you want to get technical, both "avis" and "ales" are feminine (requiring "rara", but they can be made masculine in poetry (which tends to breaks lots of rules). I decided I'd rather have a masculine name in Latin. ;) Yeah, I'm a nerd. So what? :-P Wherefore blog? It is my intention to "teach in order to lead others to faith" by being always "on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful" through the "use of the communications media". I also act knowing that I "have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors [my] opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and [I] have a right to make [my] opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward [my and their] pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons." (adapted from CCC 904-907) Statement of Faith I have been baptized and confirmed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I, therefore, renounce Satan; I renounce all his works; I renounce all his allurements. I hold and profess all that is contained in the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno- Constantinopolitan Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. Having been buried with Christ unto death and raised up with him unto a new life, I promise to live no longer for myself or for that world which is the enemy of God but for him who died for me and rose again, serving God, my heavenly Father, faithfully and unto death in the holy Catholic Church. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. That is, I promote and defend authentic Catholic Teaching and Faith in union with Christ and His Church and in union with the Holy Father, the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter. Thanks be unto Thee, O my God, for all Thy infinite goodness, and, especially, for the love Thou hast shown unto me at my Confirmation. I Give Thee thanks that Thou didst then send down Thy Holy Spirit unto my soul with all His gifts and graces. May He take full possession of me for ever. May His divine unction cause my face to shine. May His heavenly wisdom reign in my heart. May His understanding enlighten my darkness. May His counsel guide me. May His knowledge instruct me. May His piety make me fervent. May His divine fear keep me from all evil. Drive from my soul, O Lord, all that may defile it. Give me grace to be Thy faithful soldier, that having fought the good fight of faith, I may be brought to the crown of everlasting life, through the merits of Thy dearly beloved Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Behind the Curtain: an Interview With Funky Dung (Thursday, March 03, 2005) I try to avoid most memes that make their way 'round the blogosphere (We really do need a better name, don't we?), but some are worth participating in. Take for instance the "interview game" that's the talk o' the 'sphere. I think it's a great way to get to know the people in neighborhood. Who are the people in your neighborhood? In your neighborhod? In your neigh-bor-hoo-ood...*smack* Sorry, Sesame Street flashback. Anyhow, I saw Jeff "Curt Jester" Miller's answers and figured since he's a regular reader of mine he'd be a good interviewer. Without further ado, here are my answers to his questions. 1. Being that your pseudonym Funky Dung was chosen from a Pink Floyd track on Atom Heart Mother, what is you favorite Pink Floyd song and why? Wow. That's a tuffy. It's hard to pick out a single favorite. Pink Floyd isn't really a band known for singles. They mostly did album rock and my appreciation of them is mostly of a gestalt nature. If I had to pick one, though, it'd be "Comfortably Numb". I get chills up my spine every time I hear it and if it's been long enough since the last time, I get midty-eyed. I really don't know why. That's a rather unsatisfying answer for an interview, so here are the lyrics to a Rush song. It's not their best piece of music, but the lyrics describe me pretty well.

New World Man He's a rebel and a runner He's a signal turning green He's a restless young romantic Wants to run the big machine He's got a problem with his poisons But you know he'll find a cure He's cleaning up his systems To keep his nature pure Learning to match the beat of the old world man Learning to catch the heat of the third world man He's got to make his own mistakes And learn to mend the mess he makes He's old enough to know what's right But young enough not to choose it He's noble enough to win the world But weak enough to lose it --- He's a new world man... He's a radio receiver Tuned to factories and farms He's a writer and arranger And a young boy bearing arms He's got a problem with his power With weapons on patrol He's got to walk a fine line And keep his self-control Trying to save the day for the old world man Trying to pave the way for the third world man He's not concerned with yesterday He knows constant change is here today He's noble enough to know what's right But weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world But fool enough to lose it --- He's a new world man...
2. What do you consider your most important turning point from agnosticism to the Catholic Church. At some point in '99, I started attending RCIA at the Pittsburgh Oratory. I mostly went to ask a lot of obnoxious Protestant questions. Or at least that's what I told myself. I think deep down I wanted desperately to have faith again. At that point I think I'd decided that if any variety of Christianity had the Truth, the Catholic Church did. Protestantism's wholesale rejection of 1500 years of tradition didn't sit well with me, even as a former Lutheran. During class one week, Sister Bernadette Young (who runs the program) passed out thin booklet called "Handbook for Today's Catholic". One paragraph in that book spoke to me and I nearly cried as I read it.
"A person who is seeking deeper insight into reality may sometimes have doubts, even about God himself. Such doubts do not necessarily indicate lack of faith. They may be just the opposite - a sign of growing faith. Faith is alive and dynamic. It seeks, through grace, to penetrate into the very mystery of God. If a particular doctrine of faith no longer 'makes sense' to a person, the person should go right on seeking. To know what a doctrine says is one thing. To gain insight into its meaning through the gift of understanding is something else. When in doubt, 'Seek and you will find.' The person who seeks y reading, discussing, thinking, or praying eventually sees the light. The person who talks to God even when God is 'not there' is alive with faith."
At the end of class I told Sr. Bernadette that I wanted to enter the Church at the next Easter vigil. 3. If you were a tree what kind of, oh sorry about that .. what is the PODest thing you have ever done? I set up WikiIndex, a clearinghouse for reviews of theological books, good, bad, and ugly. It has a long way to go, but it'll be cool when it's finished. :) 4. What is your favorite quote from Venerable John Henry Newman? "Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt." 5. If you could ban one hymn from existence, what would it be? That's a tough one. As a member of the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas, there are obviously a lot of songs that grate on my nerves. If I had to pick one, though, I'd probably pick "Sing of the Lord's Goodness" by Ernie Sands.

7 thoughts on “Bunkum

  1. Funky Dung

    “There was never any tradition of the Roman Governor releasing prisoners for a local holiday. Pontius Pilate in particular was known for his deepseated contempt and disdain for Judaism.”

    If evidence was found of that event actually occurring, it wouldn’t be the first time for Scripture was vindicated. There have been some historical figures who were thought to only exist as fictional characters in Scripture. Later, corroborating evidence was found to support their non-fictional existance. If memory serves (and it may not), Nebuchadnezzar is one such person.

  2. Jerry Nora

    Don’t know about Nebuchadnezzar, but the Assyrian capital of Nineveh and King David himself were both doubted by historians but vindicated by archaeology in 20th Century.

  3. theomorph

    How exactly does the Bible not stand up to academic scrutiny? From a historian’s perspective, the Bible has all kinds of perfectly legitimate uses. There are the original documents (whose dating has been controversial) which speak from their historical contexts and there are also the various canonical compositions of those documents, which speak from their own historical contexts.

    If you’re talking about the content of the Bible as history, it is only as workable as any other source, and its claims have to be taken with just as much skepticism. Even Biblical scholars who are not atheists deal with the text this way.

    If you’re talking about the content of the Bible as science, then you’re dealing with historical documents that express the cosmological views of people at a given time and place. People who lived when and where the famous “in the beginning” story from the first chapter of Genesis was written believed certain things about the universe. People who lived elsewhere and else-when wrote (and write) other things.

    This idea that “the Bible doesn’t stand up to academic scrutiny” is too vague to be of any use. And that’s coming from an atheist.

    Regarding scientific research that “would cast doubt on orthodox Christian beliefs,” I don’t believe there is such a thing. My experience has always been that Christians who really want to believe and follow scientific research will find ways to shape their theology to fit with current science.

    Otherwise, the core doctrine of Christianity is beyond proof: no one can prove that Jesus was resurrected, much less that he died or even lived at all. (Meanwhile, Christians seem to love holding science to higher standards and insisting that its theories be “falsifiable.” Which is not to say scientists don’t strive for that. It just makes me laugh when Christians believe on the basis of something nonfalsifiable but then insist that any challenge would have to be falsifiable before it’s legitimate.)

  4. Funky Dung

    I should have been more precise. There are those who doubt the veracity of historical details of Scripture (i.e. people, places, and events). An Old Testament example would be Israel’s 40 years of wandering in the desert. A New Testament examples would be the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ.

    If I get a chance (Research and wedding planning have me quite busy.) I’ll address the rest of your comments. They’re thick with straw men and over-generalizations.

  5. theomorph

    Since I wasn’t trying to argue anything, I’m curious how my comments are thick with straw-men. I intentionally avoided saying whether anything in the Bible was true or not. Why would I need any straw-men to do that?

  6. John Thompson

    There are a lot of aspects of the Bible that don’t add up from an historical sense. For instance, the crowd choosing Barabus over Jesus. There was never any tradition of the Roman Governor releasing prisoners for a local holiday. Pontius Pilate in particular was known for his deepseated contempt and disdain for Judaism.

    It’s a trivial point, but is a place where criticism can be laid.

    In general, most of the things that get said make a lot more sense if you give them a little bit of historical background.

  7. theomorph

    Those examples still square with my original statement that the Bible “is only as workable as any other source, and its claims have to be taken with just as much skepticism.”

    So long as there is no other record of the Romans releasing a criminal at Passover, the Biblical account represents only a possibility of such an event. Should another corroborating document come to our knowledge that possibility would increase in plausibility and probability. This would be true of any historical document that stands alone without corroboration.

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