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Thank God the Church Isn’t a Democracy

“In one poll, 87 percent of American Catholics said they had a favorable impression of John Paul II. Yet 57 percent said the next pope should moderate the Vatican’s policies ‘to reflect the attitudes and lifestyles of Catholics today.'” – Peter Slevin, Washington Post

“68.3% Prefer ‘Buddy Christ’ from Dogma to a Crucifix – Morgan Gallup Reveals”

More on this later…

The Politics of Life and Death or Right and Left?

Michael Gallaugher at Christian Conservative really hit a nerve with this post about Terri Schiavo. I’ve never seen so many comments generated from so little text. Some of the comments really took me by surprise. Not only were commenters ill- or misunformed about Terri’s condition, they also showed a disturbing inability to reason logically. Here’s a sampling.

"Err on the side of life? They have been stuffing her from a tube for 15 years! You are writing about this as if there is some dispute. The woman’s cortex is gone. All that is left is a brain stem. Terri is gone and she has a right to be allowed for her brain stem to die as well. A whole boatload of neurologists and judges have invariably –invariably– found the same thing. She’s gone."
Public Theologian

Invariably, eh? Perhaps this information would change his mind.

"This is a fascist religious conspiracy to take away Michael Schiavo’s rights to fulfill his wife’s wishes."
– POed Lib

Really? And here I thought it was an attempt to save a women from being treated like the living dead and forced to waste away painfully.

"Excellent opinion, Christian Conservative. We liberals are completely for the ‘Err on the side of life’ mentality." [Unless that life is on the wrong side of a cervix. – Funky]

"Perhaps we should have ‘erred on the side of life’ before sending 1500 US soldiers to their deaths in Iraq, along with an estimated 100,000 Iraqis."

"Perhaps we should have erred on the side of life with the 152 executions he allowed as Governor of Texas."

"Or perhaps the countless patients in Texas whose tubes were removed, simply because the families could not afford the health care — against the wishes of the family."

"Maybe it should be extended to the millions of Americans without health insurance."

"Perhaps slashing Medicaid funding in the proposed budget would be reversed."


Nick Davis

Can you say "red herring", boys and girls? Does support for Terri necessarily imply support for the war in Iraq, the death penalty, the Texas Futile Care Law, or slashing Medicaid funding? No. Just because President Bush may be acting hypocritically by supporting Terri, doesn’t mean we all are. I don’t like President Bush and I didn’t vote for him (either time). It’s high time liberals learn that sometimes "discrimination" is a good thing.

discrimination – 1. The act of discriminating. 2. The ability or power to see or make fine distinctions; discernment.

"So you’re going to come out against Bush’s elective Iraq invasion, alll of the executions that he signed off on, the dead people who are dead because they could afford health insurance, and the the texas law that Bush signed that makes it possible for hospitals to cut life supprot for people who can no longer pay?"

"(I’ll be holding my breath while you think about it)"

– jri

Absolutely. I neither like nor voted for Bush. I still want to see Terri Schiavo live. Try not to spontaneously combust as you digest that.

BTW, You can stop holding your breath now.

"I find it ironic that same folks pushing for Shiavo’s "right to life" are the same folks who go on and on about the ‘sanctity of marriage’ – yet they’re stomping on Michael Shiavo’s marital rights. Can’t have it both ways."
– Jinx

Michael doesn’t give a rat’s behind about his marital rights. His girlfriend and their two children are evidence of that.

"Matthew 25 is one of my favorites – to me it summarizes elegantly what it means to be Christian. It also summarizes the beauty of liberalism. We propose direct aid for the hungry, the thirsty, for strangers, for the naked and for the imprisoned. The Adam Smith approach does not do it for us. We admit that it fails and has failed for over 200 years to address the needs of the poor. Conservatives tend to argue that the poor are lazy and need to get to work, or that they will benefit indirectly from government support for the very wealthy. I believe that the conservative view is in conflict with this scriptural teaching."


You’ll get little or no argument from me on those points. Now tell me why Terri must die painfully at her husband’s whim.

"I believe that there should be a national statute to protect all citizens from the horror that Terri Schiavo has been experiencing for 15 years. In the absence of clear instructions to the contrary by the patient, the maintenance of life by artificial means such as tube feeding or a respirator should be limited to a maximum of one year unless a judge can be convinced that the patient has a genuine chance of recovery to a state in which they can communicate their wishes."

– tgibbs

Tell that to Sarah Scantlin and others like her.

Don’t get me wrong. Some of the comments are very insightful, especially those by a fellow called Jinx. I encourage my readers, who have demonstrated their superb reasoning and debating skills on a number of occasions, to weigh in on the issues raised over there.

On a related note, if you’d like to see how these mostly civil comments from the Left can be turned ugly, read the ones left at this Hullabaloo post. Some of these individuals must have been foaming at the mouth while writing them.

Truly Liberal

A good friend of mine pointed out these sites to me. She's pretty liberal (she calls herself progressive), but she's also pro-life. She didn't use to be. She used to buy into all the liberal rhetoric for abortion. She's since learned that protecting the unborn goes well with the "fighting for the underdog" aspect of liberal politics.

Consistent Life

"We are committed to the protection of life, which is threatened in today's world by war, the arms race, abortion, poverty, racism, capital punishment, and euthanasia. We believe that these issues are linked under a 'consistent ethic of life'. We challenge those working on all or some of these issues to maintain a cooperative spirit of peace, reconciliation, and respect in protecting the unprotected."

Welcome to Leftout!

"First things first…why 'Leftout?' The name stems from the left-leaning philosophy espoused here, as well as the fact that progressive pro-lifers tend to feel 'left out' of both liberal and pro-life groups. That's why this site was created."

"If you're a pro-life liberal, I hope this site makes you feel a little less like the only Martian on your block."

"If you're pro-life and, shall we say, have a problem with liberals (as all too many seem to, especially on the net), I hope you will see that liberals are not the enemy, and that liberalism is not at all incompatible with a pro-life position."

"If you're pro-choice or undecided, I hope you will take the time to at least learn about a point of view you may have never heard before."

Democrats for Life America

Who We Are

Democrats for Life of America, Inc. is a national organization for pro-life members of the Democratic party.

Our Mission

Democrats for Life of America exists to foster respect for life, from the beginning of life to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia.

What We Do

We mobilize Democrats at local, state, and national levels to

* elect pro-life Democrats to office
* support pro-life Democrats while in an elected position
* promote a pro-life plank in the Democratic Party platform
* achieve legislation that fosters respect for human life
* participate actively in Democratic party functions and offices"

Feminists for Life

"If you believe in the strength of women and potential of every human life,
If you refuse to choose between women and children,
If you believe no woman should be forced to choose between pursuing her education and career plans and sacrificing her child,
If you reject violence and exploitation,
Join us in challenging the status quo."

RE: Peace in Pieces

Regarding “Peace in Pieces

Some of my friends have tried to argue that diversity builds credibility. While this can be true, I do not believe it to be the case here. What’s happening is a lot of lefties claiming there’s support from the right and a few righties pointing to the swarm on the left. Neither side likes the other or is against the war for evenly remotely similar reasons, but coincidental agreement is seen as a credibility boost anyhow. Now, if those groups got together and formed a focused (i.e. no mission creep) anti-war effort, they might actually turn a few heads. Lefties, you can fight for abortion rights another day (though I really rather you protected the unborn as well as you protect other underdogs). Now is the time to participate in a unified front against the possible war in Iraq AND ONLY AGAINST THE WAR. Righties, ‘not yet’ is not as good ‘not moral’ or ‘not ethical’ or ‘not wise’. Got it, folks?

Peace in Pieces

On Iraq, Chorus of Criticism Is Loud but Not Clear
U.S. Foreign Policy Establishment Remains Divided as Opposition to War Grows More Adamant
By Michael Dobbs

“As President Bush moves the nation closer to a military confrontation to force Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to give up his weapons of mass destruction, an array of domestic opinion-makers have been raising their voices against war.”