Religion as Sacred and Science as Profane

Star Trek

In Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, the Enterprise is hijacked by a Vulcan mystic named Sybock. His intention is to reach the center of the galaxy where he believes God awaits him and his followers. To achieve this, the Enterprise must safely pass through the "Great Barrier" – a task believed to be impossible.

Though the movie is of questionable quality due to its lackluster acting, directionless directing, and a pauper’s budget, Star Trek V has value as an expression of man’s insatiable desire to explore. More importantly, it attempts to tackle the difficult issue of the ultimate Truth of the universe. Is there a God, or has science sufficiently proven that all religion is yesterday’s news and no more worth consideration than alchemy or magic?

First, let us contemplate the nature of Star Trek in general. Consider the following.

"Space – the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds…to seek out new life and new civilizations…to boldly go where no man has gone before."

These words are essentially the charter for Starfleet, the military/exploratory arm of the Federation. They reflect man’s eternal desire to explore the unknown. We must ask ourselves "Why?". Why is man never happy with his current condition? What is so unbearable about the status quo? It would seem that all of man’s exploration and conquering of the nameless and unfamiliar has done little besides redefine the barrier between the known and the unknown.

Eliade would explain this as man’s desire to replace chaos with cosmos. The cosmos, taken in Eliade’s context, represents meaningful order. It is preferable for mankind to be surrounded with cosmos rather than chaos, a lack of meaningful order. This would make sense if, as he says, man is innately religious. Often, that which is not explained by one’s religion is treated with suspicion. It is outside our realm of knowledge and understanding. We desire to make it sacred – ;to understand its significance in the context of our spiritual beliefs. These sentiments are echoed in the nomos and anomy described by Peter Berger, a sociologist. However, Berger and those who share his views, give religion a purely structural explanation. Berger maintains that religion merely serves to explain that which cannot be explained by our five senses alone. While this description is accurate, I believe it is incomplete. If one begins to consider why religion picks up where science leaves off, the following question may result. Why is science so consistently inadequate that we seek supplemental sources of information?

Eliade tells us that because the universe is sacred, its full meaning cannot be directly experienced. It must be experienced in the form of hierophanies, interruptions of the profane by the sacred. By this, he implies that no amount of scientific pursuit, no matter how earnest, will ever completely unravel the mysteries of the universe. The sacred reveals itself at its own leisure. As my RCIA teacher always says, God and His creation are mysteries, that is, they are so full of meaning that no matter how much we know there is still more to be known.

Consider the most important questions in man’s history. Why are we here? Is/are there is a God/gods? Does human life have meaning? Few would dare to suggest that science, no matter how advanced it may become, could answer these questions. Yet, so many have abandoned spiritual (sacred) lives for purely rational (profane) ones. As Appleyard points out, Carl Sagan and Steven Hawking are perfect examples. They have put forth the rather popular notion that someday we might achieve perfect understanding of the universe’s inner workings through pure scientific pursuit. This so-called "Theory of Everything" would supposedly answer all of man’s questions about existence. It has even been suggested that fine structures of reality may reveal God. More likely, science will do what some of its most ardent supporters have claimed it would inevitably do – prove, once and for all, that God is just a myth. I wonder, though, even if this is the case, what have we gained? Are our lives better because we have rejected our desires for sacred existence?

I maintain that they are not. What possible good could come of eliminating the one and only source of hope in life? Science offers to answer all of man’s big questions, but do we actually want to hear its findings? If it is found that there is no God, mankind will lose every reason to live (aside from a natural fear of death). With that in mind, let us now explore Star Trek‘s part in the advancement of science over religion.

Logic

Anybody who is even remotely familiar with Star Trek is probably aware that Vulcans are exclusively logical beings. They once were just as emotional as humans, but they chose to abandon their true nature and pursue perfect logical thought. This can easily be seen as an allegory for the scientific community’s attempts to replace all sacred thought with rational, profane logic. Freud would be proud. Our society is doing its very best to squash man’s natural desire for "something wholly other". Sybock, the renegade Vulcan, on the other hand, has rejected logic. He feels that it is utterly ill equipped to understand the true nature of the universe. Spock explains to Kirk and McCoy Sybock’s origins in an almost envious and longing voice. We learn in the next movie that Spock believes that "logic is only the beginning of wisdom".

"There was a young student – exceptionally gifted, possessing a great intelligence. It was assumed that one day he would take his place among the great scholars of Vulcan. But he was a revolutionary. The knowledge and experience he sought were forbidden. He rejected his logical upbringing and embraced the animal passions of our ancestors. He believed that the key to self-knowledge was emotion, not logic. When he encouraged others to follow him, he was banished from Vulcan, never to return."

At the end of the film, Dr. McCoy asks, "Is God really out there?" Unsurprisingly, Kirk offers an empty platitude saying, "Maybe he’s not out there. Maybe he’s right here—in the human heart." This is just another example of how science offers to remove current answers to questions and replace them with more questions, to which we lack the answers.

The intelligencia expect us to answer these questions by their own approved means. In other words, if you do not follow the scientific method and materialistic reduction, then your findings are useless. This is fine if we are referring to the growth rate of bacteria or the escape velocity of Mars, but how can science claim that mystical experiences are invalid? So little is known about the human brain, and yet we are told regularly that mysticism is merely the product of over-active imaginations and/or too much LSD. The human mind is a largely unexplored frontier, which leads me to my next point.

The Final Frontier

Is space really the final frontier? The writers of Star Trek would have us believe so. With the possible exception of Deep Space Nine, which has a strong spiritual element in the Prophets, the great majority of episodes and movies based on Gene Roddenberry’s creation have had a very secular (i.e. profane) bias. An ideal is presented in which man has only deep space to conquer. Once he has done that, then there will be no great hurdles left to overcome. All of the universe will be understood. The obvious implication of this is the elimination of religion from man’s life. This is abundantly evident in the many Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, such as Justice, which treat religious cultures as children or savages.

This attitude can also be found in abundance in Star Trek V. When Sybock informs Kirk that he has received a vision from God, Kirk promptly informs him that he is mad. Not for one moment does he consider that perhaps he did receive a vision from God. As it turned out, the vision was actually from a malevolent creature. However, this does not harm the veridicality of the vision (more about this in a subsequent post). Sybock was well in control of his mental faculties. Yet, Kirk would not even entertain the thought that the vision was authentic. If fact, it will soon become clear that Kirk is a rather accurate caricature of the scientific community.

Predictable Unpredictability

It strikes me as ironic that scientists will tell you one moment that nothing is impossible when one uses scientific inquiry, then in the next moment inform you that something is impossible. The scientific community seems to be secretly aware of its own inadequacies, to the point of lacking self-confidence. Kirk embodies science’s skepticism about its own work. When Kirk objects to attempting to travel through "the Great Barrier" at the center of the galaxy, Sybock questions the impossibility of it. He reminds Kirk about a time when man thought the world was flat, a time when the sound barrier seemed impossible to break, and a time when faster-than-light travel was considered an impossible dream. Every time man has said that something is impossible, he eventually makes it possible. We seem to be unable to learn from this pattern. His point is further illustrated when the Enterprise successfully travels through "the Great Barrier" unharmed.

There are countless examples in human history of science being turned on its head. Take for instance Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity or the advent of quantum mechanics. What was once preached as vehemently as any religious fanaticism has become pass� (c.f. Thomas Kuhn’s The Structure of Scientific Revolutions). Now we are expected to appeal to ultimate authority of today’s theories and hypotheses. Science pulls the rug from beneath us in a predictably unpredictable manner. If science cannot even predict its own future accomplishments, how can we be expected to accept the proclamation that God does not exist and that the sacred life mankind seeks is an illusion?

Common Ground

The sacred life Sybock sought was to be found at Sha Ka Ree, the Vulcan equivalent to the Garden of Eden. It was where Sybock hoped to find God. His "mission" is a familiar one. It is likely that as soon as man learned to reason, he wondered where he came from and why he exists. Sybock describes this eloquently as he addresses the crew of the Enterprise upon taking over the ship.

"Consider the questions of existence. These are the questions man has asked ever since he first gazed at the stars and dreamed. My Vulcan ancestors were ruled by their emotions. They felt with their hearts. They made love with their hearts. They believed with their hearts. But above all, they believed in a place in which these questions of existence would be answered. Modern dogma tells us this place is a myth, a fantasy concocted by pagans. It exists. My brothers, we have been chosen to undertake the greatest adventure of all time, the discovery of Sha Ka Ree."

He rightfully states later that "every culture in existence shares this common dream of a place from which creation sprang." To the best of scientific knowledge, since that is what the profane mind insists upon, it appears that every human society has a creation story. In fact, the stories have a common theme. An all-powerful being creates the universe as we know it and then defeats an evil creation that has tried to destroy and/or take over the universe. Interestingly, some of the societies studied are great distances from their nearest neighbors.

I could discuss for pages the similarities in myth around the world, but it would be off-topic. The point is, science admits that there is a common bond between all humanity. It seems to me a bit odd that sociological and historical evidence is insufficient to convince the profane sciences to accept the possibility of the sacredness of the universe, as evidenced by a unified story of Creation.

Victory for the Profane?

At the end of Star Trek V, it is revealed that what Sybock believed was God was actually an imprisoned alien being. The rational minds of the profane sciences, as well as the writers of Star Trek, would have us believe that the nonsense of sacred existence was defeated once again. It is suggested that logic, rather than emotion would have prevented the negative outcome (Sybock’s death, for instance). As I have mentioned already, we are supposed to accept Kirk’s platitude as an adequate answer to life’s biggest question and leave the movie feeling hopeful. Ultimately, we are supposed to see the futility of attempting to live sacred lives. We should see that science won in the end – that it will always win. We should see the childishness of our silly religions and leave them. We are to join the legions of deluded fools who have sold their souls to materialistic reductionism.

I find that proposition unacceptable. There is about as much substance to it as the Soviet Union once had when trying to dispel religious ideas with its Marxist propaganda. When they launched Sputnik, they triumphantly proclaimed that God did not and could not exist because they had pierced the heavens with their satellite and found nothing. No reasonable human could accept that logic. Are we to believe that God is a fantasy because ancient men had no concept of space travel? Heaven represents so much more than "up there". Heaven, Brahma, Valhalla, or whatever you call it, represents mankind’s beginning and its end. Our natural desire for the sacred is designed to help us find it.

Conclusion

Science expects us to abandon our faith. We are told, as Kirk told Sybock, that we are foolish or mad. We are told that science is the one and only true religion. However, science is much more like a cult. It lures people away from their primary cultural beliefs. With its high priests (physicists, chemists and the like), scientists claim to have verifiable explanations for the important questions in life. The point to research. They show experimental evidence. They appeal to common sense. At first, one is easily convinced of science’s firmness/steadiness and ability to answer all of the important questions about the universe. I was. However, once the subject (what a person is in relation to scientific inquiry) has been stripped of his/her hopes and dreams, science paints a different picture for him/her. Science explains that ideas change with time and research. It makes it plain that no idea is safe. In other words, once it has placed itself where religion once was in our lives, science pulls the rug from under us by saying that not even it is permanent. Yet, the profane sciences expect unquestioned devotion to them and their rituals.

Materialistic reductionism robs us of our purpose and spiritual being and tries to replace it with an IOU. It is difficult to be like Sybock. Those who have tried, receive little or no respect in the intellectual community. Eliade was lucky. His writings seem to be objective enough to have satisfied his peers. C. S. Lewis, however, exemplifies the unlucky sacred man. He was a professor of medieval studies who also happened to be a writer of Christian theology. His thoughts are concise, intelligent, and well written, yet he receives little, and often no, respect from the philosophical community. His rejection reminds me of something Albert Einstein once said.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

The opposition will continue until we decide that enough is enough and temper our scientific pursuits with emotional awareness. Logic is not the end all and be all of life.

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end." – Spock

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About Funky Dung

Who is Funky Dung? 29-year-old grad student in Intelligent Systems (A.I.) at the University of Pittsburgh. I consider myself to be politically moderate and independent and somewhere between a traditional and neo-traditional Catholic. I was raised Lutheran, spent a number of years as an agnostic, and joined the Catholic Church at the 2000 Easter Vigil. Why Funky Dung? I haven't been asked this question nearly as many times as you or I might expect. Funky Dung is a reference to an obscure Pink Floyd song. On the album Atom Heart Mother, there is a track called Atom Heart Mother Suite. It's broken up into movements, like a symphony, and one of the movements is called Funky Dung. I picked that nickname a long time ago (while I was still in high school I think), shortly after getting an internet connection for the first time. To me it means "cool/neat/groovy/spiffy stuff/crap/shiznit", as in "That's some cool stuff, dude!" Whence Ales Rarus? I used to enjoy making people guess what this means, but I've decided to relent and make it known to all. Ales Rarus is a Latin play on words. "Avis rarus" means "a rare bird" and carries similar meaning to "an odd fellow". "Ales" is another Latin word for bird that carries connotations of omens, signs of the times, and/or augery. If you want to get technical, both "avis" and "ales" are feminine (requiring "rara", but they can be made masculine in poetry (which tends to breaks lots of rules). I decided I'd rather have a masculine name in Latin. ;) Yeah, I'm a nerd. So what? :-P Wherefore blog? It is my intention to "teach in order to lead others to faith" by being always "on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful" through the "use of the communications media". I also act knowing that I "have the right and even at times a duty to manifest to the sacred pastors [my] opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church, and [I] have a right to make [my] opinion known to the other Christian faithful, with due regard to the integrity of faith and morals and reverence toward [my and their] pastors, and with consideration for the common good and the dignity of persons." (adapted from CCC 904-907) Statement of Faith I have been baptized and confirmed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I, therefore, renounce Satan; I renounce all his works; I renounce all his allurements. I hold and profess all that is contained in the Apostles' Creed, the Niceno- Constantinopolitan Creed, and the Athanasian Creed. Having been buried with Christ unto death and raised up with him unto a new life, I promise to live no longer for myself or for that world which is the enemy of God but for him who died for me and rose again, serving God, my heavenly Father, faithfully and unto death in the holy Catholic Church. I am obedient to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. That is, I promote and defend authentic Catholic Teaching and Faith in union with Christ and His Church and in union with the Holy Father, the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter. Thanks be unto Thee, O my God, for all Thy infinite goodness, and, especially, for the love Thou hast shown unto me at my Confirmation. I Give Thee thanks that Thou didst then send down Thy Holy Spirit unto my soul with all His gifts and graces. May He take full possession of me for ever. May His divine unction cause my face to shine. May His heavenly wisdom reign in my heart. May His understanding enlighten my darkness. May His counsel guide me. May His knowledge instruct me. May His piety make me fervent. May His divine fear keep me from all evil. Drive from my soul, O Lord, all that may defile it. Give me grace to be Thy faithful soldier, that having fought the good fight of faith, I may be brought to the crown of everlasting life, through the merits of Thy dearly beloved Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen. Behind the Curtain: an Interview With Funky Dung (Thursday, March 03, 2005) I try to avoid most memes that make their way 'round the blogosphere (We really do need a better name, don't we?), but some are worth participating in. Take for instance the "interview game" that's the talk o' the 'sphere. I think it's a great way to get to know the people in neighborhood. Who are the people in your neighborhood? In your neighborhod? In your neigh-bor-hoo-ood...*smack* Sorry, Sesame Street flashback. Anyhow, I saw Jeff "Curt Jester" Miller's answers and figured since he's a regular reader of mine he'd be a good interviewer. Without further ado, here are my answers to his questions. 1. Being that your pseudonym Funky Dung was chosen from a Pink Floyd track on Atom Heart Mother, what is you favorite Pink Floyd song and why? Wow. That's a tuffy. It's hard to pick out a single favorite. Pink Floyd isn't really a band known for singles. They mostly did album rock and my appreciation of them is mostly of a gestalt nature. If I had to pick one, though, it'd be "Comfortably Numb". I get chills up my spine every time I hear it and if it's been long enough since the last time, I get midty-eyed. I really don't know why. That's a rather unsatisfying answer for an interview, so here are the lyrics to a Rush song. It's not their best piece of music, but the lyrics describe me pretty well.

New World Man He's a rebel and a runner He's a signal turning green He's a restless young romantic Wants to run the big machine He's got a problem with his poisons But you know he'll find a cure He's cleaning up his systems To keep his nature pure Learning to match the beat of the old world man Learning to catch the heat of the third world man He's got to make his own mistakes And learn to mend the mess he makes He's old enough to know what's right But young enough not to choose it He's noble enough to win the world But weak enough to lose it --- He's a new world man... He's a radio receiver Tuned to factories and farms He's a writer and arranger And a young boy bearing arms He's got a problem with his power With weapons on patrol He's got to walk a fine line And keep his self-control Trying to save the day for the old world man Trying to pave the way for the third world man He's not concerned with yesterday He knows constant change is here today He's noble enough to know what's right But weak enough not to choose it He's wise enough to win the world But fool enough to lose it --- He's a new world man...
2. What do you consider your most important turning point from agnosticism to the Catholic Church. At some point in '99, I started attending RCIA at the Pittsburgh Oratory. I mostly went to ask a lot of obnoxious Protestant questions. Or at least that's what I told myself. I think deep down I wanted desperately to have faith again. At that point I think I'd decided that if any variety of Christianity had the Truth, the Catholic Church did. Protestantism's wholesale rejection of 1500 years of tradition didn't sit well with me, even as a former Lutheran. During class one week, Sister Bernadette Young (who runs the program) passed out thin booklet called "Handbook for Today's Catholic". One paragraph in that book spoke to me and I nearly cried as I read it.
"A person who is seeking deeper insight into reality may sometimes have doubts, even about God himself. Such doubts do not necessarily indicate lack of faith. They may be just the opposite - a sign of growing faith. Faith is alive and dynamic. It seeks, through grace, to penetrate into the very mystery of God. If a particular doctrine of faith no longer 'makes sense' to a person, the person should go right on seeking. To know what a doctrine says is one thing. To gain insight into its meaning through the gift of understanding is something else. When in doubt, 'Seek and you will find.' The person who seeks y reading, discussing, thinking, or praying eventually sees the light. The person who talks to God even when God is 'not there' is alive with faith."
At the end of class I told Sr. Bernadette that I wanted to enter the Church at the next Easter vigil. 3. If you were a tree what kind of, oh sorry about that .. what is the PODest thing you have ever done? I set up WikiIndex, a clearinghouse for reviews of theological books, good, bad, and ugly. It has a long way to go, but it'll be cool when it's finished. :) 4. What is your favorite quote from Venerable John Henry Newman? "Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt." 5. If you could ban one hymn from existence, what would it be? That's a tough one. As a member of the Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas, there are obviously a lot of songs that grate on my nerves. If I had to pick one, though, I'd probably pick "Sing of the Lord's Goodness" by Ernie Sands.

15 thoughts on “Religion as Sacred and Science as Profane

  1. gbm3

    “Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.” – Spock

    This was said in ST VI:TUC. If you recall the early years of TOS, he did not make this conclusion. I think it was only after getting back his katra in ST III-IV and reevaluating himself could he come to this conclusion.

    I remember in “The Galileo Seven” (Episode: #1.16 – 5 January 1967 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/guests ) when Spock only used his logic to command, he was ineffective. It was later, esp. seen in ST VI when he saw that logic was only the beginning of wisdom and was better as a Captain and a Vulcan.

  2. Funky Dung

    “This was said in ST VI:TUC.”

    I know. I acknowledged that.

    “We learn in the next movie that Spock believes that ‘logic is only the beginning of wisdom’.

    I hadn’t thought of the katra angle. Perhaps you could write a follow-up to this post focused on Spock’s death and “resurrection” and how that affected his outlook on life. I’d be very interested to read such a piece.

  3. Philip Shropshire

    Gawd, there’s so much wrong with this I don’t know where to begin.

    First, you picked just a terrible Star Trek to talk about. Two, there is no cult of reason or science. Frankly, I wish there was. That’s because rational people can admit that they might be wrong. If string theory doesn’t hold up then dismiss and rethink the problem. This way you can’t fool yourself into believing that infallible popes need immunity deals. Three, Christian philosophers aren’t taken seriously because they start with the answers and don’t fearlessly pursue the question. Frankly, I’ll take Eric Drexler and his visions over any clergyman’s or philospher’s. A wiser person might conclude that infallible popes shouldn’t need immunity deals and that perfect male clergy members shouldn’t rape young boys…but you can’t. And, yes, that’s a kind of stupidity…

    Philip Shropshire
    http://www.threeriversonline.com

    PS: I love Spock and the Vulcans and yes, to command humans, you need to know something about human emotion. Of course, if you watched the later Treks, it becomes clear that while Wulcan’s can suppress their emotions they still express them. I’m thinking Tuvoc in Voyager.

  4. Tom Smith

    Shrop: “Christian philosophers aren’t taken seriously”

    Really? Ever hear of Descartes, Leibniz, Berkeley, or Kant? (I’ll give you a few hints: If you read the preface to the Meditations, Descartes leads off with the fact that his study is devoted to the evangelical work of the Fifth Lateran Council; he believed his was the only metaphysic that could maintain transubstantiation; and he influenced Queen Christina of Sweden to convert to Catholicism. Leibniz is a man looked upon as a theologian by Catholics. Berkeley was an Anglican bishop. Kant’s ethics were based on the theology of his Protestant background.)

    Eric: Why is it that you see the entire universe as sacred? It seems to me that if everything’s sacred, nothing is. If you’re saying that the entirety of Creation is on an ontologically elevated state, then it isn’t elevated relative to anything; that statement effectively means nothing, if I’m reading you correctly.

  5. Funky Dung

    “Why is it that you see the entire universe as sacred? It seems to me that if everything’s sacred, nothing is. If you’re saying that the entirety of Creation is on an ontologically elevated state, then it isn’t elevated relative to anything; that statement effectively means nothing, if I’m reading you correctly.”

    So if man had never fallen, messing up Creation in the process, you wouldn’t consider the universe that God called “very good” sacred?

  6. Funky Dung

    Hey, Phil, keep going with the election fraud stuff. I don’t entirely agree with your Chicken Little attitude, but I find some of the stuff you link to educational. More citizens should make an effort to understand the electoral process.

  7. gbm3

    “Of course, if you watched the later Treks, it becomes clear that while Wulcan’s can suppress their emotions they still express them. I’m thinking Tuvoc in Voyager.” -Philip Shropshire 10.14.05 – 1:21 am

    Yes, Vulcans have shown their emotions, but, from TOS, only in ritual (esp. in mating ritual).

    Outside of this, they realize they have made an illogical response and suppress it.

    I’m not sure about Tuvoc in Voyager since I did not waste my time watching many of the newer Treks (esp. Enterprise and the heavy reliance on sex). I wouldn’t use an argument based on these shows.

    At any rate, Spock can be cited as an example that “Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.” He started with logic and grew from there.

  8. Tom Smith

    “So if man had never fallen, messing up Creation in the process, you wouldn’t consider the universe that God called ‘very good’ sacred?”

    I have many things to say. First, you conflate “good” with “sacred.” Led Zeppelin was a good band. They weren’t a sacred band, though.

    Second, the Fall has no bearing on the main thrust of my point. Since the entire universe was changed at the Fall, it isn’t as though there’s anything to compare it to (except, perhaps, the pre-Fallen state. . . but the change at the Fall could only have been a negative one). The only thing that can be sacred irrespective of other things is God. Every other thing, to be sacred, must be sacred *relative* to other things that are less sacred. The only thing other than the Universe is God, right? (I assume that you don’t posit an entity other than Creator and Creation.) So it seems that the Universe must, in order to be sacred, therefore, be so *relative* to God, which clearly can’t be the case. So that’s why I believe that the Universe, before the Fall, wasn’t sacred.

    After the Fall, however, how would the Universe actually become sacred? It doesn’t make sense. If its sacredness changed at all at the Fall, then it would’ve gone down, not up.

    Next, because sacredness is an ontological, metaphysical thing, the whole point you make seems to be a non-sequitur, because we obviously can’t use science to study the Universe before the Fall anyway, can we?

    What I might agree with you on, however, is that scientific study is driven by the search for sacredness; I cannot, however, agree that one reaches that end by stopping at the study of Creation, because it is not sacred. However, I do believe that the study of Creation points to the Creator, Who is sacred. So, yes, science is driven by the pursuit of that which is sacred, but only indirectly, through the study of the profane (Creation) as a first step.

    Finally, I think that sacredness is an ontological condition — a *metaphysical* one. Science, though definitely a worthy pursuit, having absolutely nothing to do with metaphysical realities, cannot study sacredness.

  9. Funky Dung

    “Science, though definitely a worthy pursuit, having absolutely nothing to do with metaphysical realities, cannot study sacredness.”

    I couldn’t agree more. Like I said, science asks/answers the wrong questions (for this context). Likewise, religion asks/answers the wrong questions for scientific pursuit. Religion should guide ethical and moral practices within science, though.

    Sacred and profane, at least as defined by Eliade (or my fuzzy memory thereof), are two aspects of Creation. The only thing that is wholly sacred is God. All other things are sacred to lesser degrees in proportion to how much they bear the “mark” or likeness of God. Some aspects of the universe are more sacred than others, but all are sacred.

    Am I conflating sacred and good? Well, the English language has hindered me a bit here. I am treating them as synonymous, but only in a certain sense of good. To use your Led Zeppelin example, they are objectively good, irrespective of tastes and trends, insomuch as their music is beautiful and inspiring. Beauty is a sacred good created by God. For more on this, c.f. C.S. Lewis’ discussion of nearness to God by likeness.

  10. Funky Dung

    BTW, that paper is at least 6 years old. I’d have to reread Eliade’s book to know if he or I abuse the term “sacred”. As I recall, though, it’s an interesting book. It’s short, too. You should read it. 🙂

  11. Mark La Roi

    For me, there is too much divorce between elements of reality. Scienctific study doesn’t need to be kept an arm’s length from Christianity because it merely serves to acknoledge the natural laws God set in place.

    I believe that the dichotomy has arisen because men, as they search for God, stop short at their own mirror and the journey becomes more self-discovery than actual information gaining.

    Good post though! (I’d have to use the X-Men as my example though! Lol! )

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