http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:18:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40352 gbm3 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:47:48 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40352 Oh yea, it's from http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians15.htm --- gbm3
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians15.htm

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gbm3]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40351 gbm3 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:46:49 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40351 For if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised, and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. *** For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead came also through a human being. For just as in Adam all die, so too in Christ shall all be brought to life, *** but each one in proper order: Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ; then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for "he subjected everything under his feet." But when it says that everything has been subjected, it is clear that it excludes the one who subjected everything to him. When everything is subjected to him, then the Son himself will (also) be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corr 15: 16-28 (esp. 21-22) (Please read this entire chapter at my funeral, seriously.) gbm3 --- and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins. Then those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiable people of all. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
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For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead came also through a human being.
For just as in Adam all die, so too in Christ shall all be brought to life,
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but each one in proper order: Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ;
then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has destroyed every sovereignty and every authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy to be destroyed is death, for "he subjected everything under his feet." But when it says that everything has been subjected, it is clear that it excludes the one who subjected everything to him.
When everything is subjected to him, then the Son himself will (also) be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Corr 15: 16-28 (esp. 21-22)

(Please read this entire chapter at my funeral, seriously.)

gbm3
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The EO writers I've read say that it is merely the broken relationship with God and the curse of death that constitute any inborn problems.

Take care & God bless]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40319 Pseudo-Polymath » Blog Archive » Morning Highlights Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:59:50 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40319 [...] A question (Ales Rarus) and an answer (biblicalia + a little more), simplicity of blogging. [...] http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40318 Mark Olson Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:32:46 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40318 While I don't have a ready answer, I've been newly chrismated as Orthodox and I think you're right there is a fundamental difference in how the fall is viewed which leads to a difference as to what the restoration that occurred at Jesus resurrection accomplished. I've read it, but don't recall it off-hand (and at work). I'll look it up, write it up, and trackback this weekend. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40289 Bryan Davis Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:52:20 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40289 Yeah... that was a pretty big sticking point in my <i>sola scriptura</i> days. sola scriptura days.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40288 Jeff Miller Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:47:12 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40288 It was St. Augustine who coined the term. The orthodox pretty much have the same idea, but don't necessarily use the same term which is often the case. The quote you use from Ezekiel refers to personal sin and not the concept that because of the fall we were deprived the original gifts given to our first parents.
The quote you use from Ezekiel refers to personal sin and not the concept that because of the fall we were deprived the original gifts given to our first parents.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40709 BlogWatch Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2601#comment-40709 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Ales Rarus<!--%kramer-post%--> Ales Rarus]]>