Comments on: A Case for Revolution http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Bryan Davis http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18568 Bryan Davis Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:16:42 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18568 Yes, I think there does have to be a reciprocal, if the behavior is not natural or repaid in some other way (like men believing it will get them into heaven or save them money on tax returns). Of course, some people are more altruistic than others, and chivalry tends to fall pretty close in line with male altruism. But to request this behavior of men in general, without offering anything in return, is kind of like asking that the street light will always turn green for your car and be red for for anyone going the opposite way. Unless everyone has the expectation that the traffic lights will treat them fairly, people are going to start running the lights.
But to request this behavior of men in general, without offering anything in return, is kind of like asking that the street light will always turn green for your car and be red for for anyone going the opposite way. Unless everyone has the expectation that the traffic lights will treat them fairly, people are going to start running the lights.]]> By: edey http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18500 edey Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:01:09 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18500 does there have to be a reciprocal? if there needs to be one, the reciprocal would be women's strengths to men's strengths. men's strengths are physical and natural whereas women's tend to be more spiritual and supernatural, such as nurturing, patience, humility, etc. men do the brute force while women smooth out the rough edges if that makes sense.
if there needs to be one, the reciprocal would be women's strengths to men's strengths. men's strengths are physical and natural whereas women's tend to be more spiritual and supernatural, such as nurturing, patience, humility, etc. men do the brute force while women smooth out the rough edges if that makes sense.]]> By: Bryan Davis http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18411 Bryan Davis Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:40:58 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18411 Edey said: <blockquote>just because women are the *equal* of men doesn’t mean women are the *same* as men.</blockquote> That is very true! But I think that the women's movement has, in part, established that as the equal of men, women have the capacity for independence, and men shouldn't have the expectation that their offers of help are themselves expected, or even will be well-received. I would return you to my previous question: If men are to be chivalrous to all women, not just those they are courting, what is the reciprocal in that relationship?
just because women are the *equal* of men doesn’t mean women are the *same* as men.


That is very true! But I think that the women's movement has, in part, established that as the equal of men, women have the capacity for independence, and men shouldn't have the expectation that their offers of help are themselves expected, or even will be well-received. I would return you to my previous question: If men are to be chivalrous to all women, not just those they are courting, what is the reciprocal in that relationship?]]> By: edey http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18394 edey Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:30:34 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18394 just because women are the *equal* of men doesn't mean women are the *same* as men. as a result, i don't see how chivalry and equality for women are mutually exclusive. there are things that men are better at (in general), for example physical strength. there are things that woman (in general) are better at (that are under-appreciated) such as nurturing. what things that the women's movement has to offer do you believe are incompatible with chivalry?
what things that the women's movement has to offer do you believe are incompatible with chivalry?]]> By: edey http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18392 edey Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:15:02 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18392 "I’m writing about marriage since much of chivalry is part of courting for marriage (not always of course)" see, i would say it is and it isn't. it is because you're right, it's part of courting. however, it isn't because i dont' think a man should only open the door (etc) for only the girl he is dating, but all women. it isn't because he is interested in marrying her that he should do it but because she is a woman if that makes sense.
see, i would say it is and it isn't. it is because you're right, it's part of courting. however, it isn't because i dont' think a man should only open the door (etc) for only the girl he is dating, but all women. it isn't because he is interested in marrying her that he should do it but because she is a woman if that makes sense.]]> By: Funky Dung http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18348 Funky Dung Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:33:34 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18348 <blockquote>"I’m his only daughter and I think he’s always expected to walk down the aisle with me."</blockquote>I processed in with both of my parents, as did my wife with hers. I thought it was a nice comprimise. "I’m his only daughter and I think he’s always expected to walk down the aisle with me."I processed in with both of my parents, as did my wife with hers. I thought it was a nice comprimise.]]> By: gbm3 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18239 gbm3 Tue, 29 Aug 2006 01:23:15 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18239 <blockquote>I am trying to convince my fiance that we should use the traditional Catholic ritual instead of the Protestantized “giving away” ritual.</blockquote> Fight the good fight! (I lost it.) Ritual is suppost to support belief. -- I am trying to convince my fiance that we should use the traditional Catholic ritual instead of the Protestantized “giving away” ritual.

Fight the good fight! (I lost it.)

Ritual is suppost to support belief.

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I am trying to convince my fiance that we should use the traditional Catholic ritual instead of the Protestantized "giving away" ritual. After I convince him of that, I'll have to convince my father. That's not going to be an easy task; I'm his only daughter and I think he's always expected to walk down the aisle with me.]]> By: gbm3 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18192 gbm3 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:18:39 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18192 Note: I'm writing about marriage since much of chivalry is part of courting for marriage (not always of course). By: gbm3 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18191 gbm3 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:15:29 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2428#comment-18191 Why do we need chivalry? Just treat everyone (each other) in a loving manner: open doors, treat to meals, lift heavy objects. Much of the world has the notion that women are given in marriage. I like the notion that women and men give their whole selves to each other. It used to be that in Catholic weddings, the man and women would go up together. Unfortunately (I'm one of them), most Catholics use the old style protestant wedding ritual of the father giving the daughter away. So much for equality. At least it is mentioned in the mass liturgy that the two coming together are equals. (I'll be writing a post on a related subject soon.) ---
Much of the world has the notion that women are given in marriage. I like the notion that women and men give their whole selves to each other.

It used to be that in Catholic weddings, the man and women would go up together. Unfortunately (I'm one of them), most Catholics use the old style protestant wedding ritual of the father giving the daughter away.

So much for equality. At least it is mentioned in the mass liturgy that the two coming together are equals.

(I'll be writing a post on a related subject soon.)

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