Language and Order

Witnessing all the recent hubbub about new English mass translation that's just been approved by US bishops and the ever-present tensions between rival Bible translators, I thought the following quite from Peter Berger's The Sacred Canopy: Elements of a Sociological Theory of Religion might provoke interesting discussion.

"The social world constitutes a nomos both objectively and subjectively. The objective nomos is given in the process of objectivation as such. the fact of , even if taken by itself, can readily be seen as the imposition of order upon experience. nomizes by imposing differentiation and structure upon the ongoing flux of experience. As an item of experience is named, it is ipso facto, taken out of this flux and given stability as the entity so named. further provides a fundamental order of relationships by the addition of syntax and grammar to vocabulary. It is impossible to use without participating in its order. Every empirical may be said to constitute a nomos in the making, or, with equal validity, as the historical consequence of the nomizing activity of generations of men. The original nomizing act is to say that an item is this, and thus not that. As this original incorporation of the item into the order that includes other items is followed by sharper linguistic designations (the item is male and not female, singular and not plural, a noun and not a verb, and so forth), the nomizing act intends a comprehensive order of all items that may be linguistically objectivated, that is, intends a totalizing nomos.

What I primarily take from this is the importance of word choice for the recording and transmission of information, i.e., order. When we translate or liturgies to modern languages, we must be mindful of a few important questions.

  • What sort of order did the original author(s) intend to impose with the words they chose?
  • What sort of order do we wish to impose with the words we choose?
  • If these orders do not match, why do they not, and how should that affect our efforts?

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  1. Rob wrote:

    Jerome complained about the deliberate alterations to the texts he had to work with when he collected them up to make the first authoratative Bible. It seems everyone had a laser to focus (ok, so that doesn't work as well as "axe to grind).

    Presbyterians are having loads of fun with the same concepts, although in a different context. For example, in Proverbs, Wisdom is treated as a "person" and can clearly be identified with the Holy Spirit — and yet Wisdom is spoken of as female. Early manuscripts of John 14 have Jesus talk of sending the Holy Spirit — and He uses the feminine pronoun. For some odd reason, that got changed by the church fathers.

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  1. From CadmusSorrell.com on 30 Nov 1999 at 12:00 am “How can an intelligent person believe the Bible?” has a response to that question, out-of-the-blue, from a reader at Sun and Shield. Eric “Funky Dung” Williams discusses Bible translation in Language and Order at Ales Rarus. Witnessing all the recent hubbub about new English mass translation that’s just been approved by US bishops and the ever-present tensions between rival Bible translators, I thought this quote from Peter Berger’s The Sacred Canopy:
  2. From Kicking Over My Traces » Catholic Carnival on 27 Jun 2006 at 3:11 pm [...] Funky Dung at Ales Rarus provides fodder for pondering concerning the proposed changes to the English-language version of the Mass. Technorati tags: Catholic Carnival, Catholicism, Christianity. [...]
  3. From The Troglodyte on 28 Jun 2006 at 6:59 am Language and Order" by Funky Dung at Ales Rarus because it touches on the new translation of the Mass, which I've touched on and will again soon. Also, here's last week's Catholic Carnival: Corpus Christi at Part-time Pundit
  4. From Cadmusings » Blog Archive » Christian Carnival CXXVIII on 28 Jun 2006 at 12:12 pm [...] Eric "Funky Dung" Williams discusses Bible translation in Language and Order at Ales Rarus. Witnessing all the recent hubbub about new English mass translation that’s just been approved by US bishops and the ever-present tensions between rival Bible translators, I thought this quote from Peter Berger’s The Sacred Canopy: Elements of a Sociological Theory of Religion might provoke interesting discussion. [...]
  5. From GOD or NOT Cosmos on 28 Jun 2006 at 4:46 pm “How can an intelligent person believe the Bible?” has a response to that question, out-of-the-blue, from a reader at Sun and Shield. Eric “Funky Dung” Williams discusses Bible translation in Language and Order at Ales Rarus. Witnessing all the recent hubbub about new English mass translation that’s just been approved by US bishops and the ever-present tensions between rival Bible translators, I thought this quote from Peter Berger’s The Sacred Canopy:
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