http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:18:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9616 Tom Smith Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:55:34 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9616 As regards the Eucharist -- his liturgical playing wouldn't change a thing, as long as he says the consecration and has intent (intent, not necessarily, to specifically cause a transmutation of the elements and offer a sacrifice, but to do as the Church does). So the default answer is that a priest's Mass is valid as long as he doesn't actively change his intent. Also, open communion doesn't have anything to do with sacramental validity -- it's not as though the Eucharist reverts to bread and wine when it touches the lips of an unbeliever. The classic demonstration of this concept is an imaginary situation in which a priest, while distributing communion, drops a Host on the floor, and a dog runs over and eats it. Did the dog receive the Eucharist? Yes -- the transformation being already accomplished, there is nothing to stop the dog from receiving the Body of Christ. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9612 edey Sun, 16 Apr 2006 06:20:26 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9612 but why is it ok to get married by a heretic in one sense (protestant) but not another (excommunicated priest)? why can you get a dispensation in one case but not the other? http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9611 Funky Dung Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:47:06 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9611 You cannot licitly marry outside of the Church without dispensation. I don't think the Church is likely to grant dispensation to be married by an excommunicated priest. Without the dispensation, the marriage is illicit and the sacrament invalid. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9610 edey Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:44:53 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9610 how does him being in heresy affect marriages? the operators of the marriage are the couple themselves (i think). the couple gives the Sacrament to each other, so even if you have a bogus priest, would that affect Sacramentality?? granted, you might need a dispensation... http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9609 Funky Dung Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:09:06 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9609 1) I strongly suspect that he's monkeyed with the liturgy in such a way that he no longer confects the Eicharist. 2) Doesn't the fact that he offers the Eucharist to anyone who comes affect things in any way?
2) Doesn't the fact that he offers the Eucharist to anyone who comes affect things in any way?]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293/comment-page-1#comment-9607 Tom Smith Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:53:52 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2293#comment-9607 Actually, most of his sacraments are valid. Most likely, his absolutions are invalid and his marriages null, but, other than that, his sacraments are genuine.