http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:26:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-20199 UnSpace - Show; Not Tell » Seven-Eleven Troubles Sun, 10 Sep 2006 22:52:36 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-20199 [...] Now, over at Ales Rarus, there's been complaints about contemporary music — defined, I suspect, as anything after Gregorian chants. [unfair snark] They especially don't like the 7-11 songs: seven words sung 11 times. Everything we did today was not anywhere near a 7-11…well, except "Love the Lord." Hey, at least it helps folks memorize the Greatest Commandment. [...] http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9537 Deep Furrows Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:16:28 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9537 <strong>Catholic Carnival: Holy Week 2006...</strong> Eric \"Funky Dung\" Williams presents Still Amusing the Church to Death posted at Ales Rarus. Presented for discussion are some good rules for discerning the liturgical appropriateness of songs.... Catholic Carnival: Holy Week 2006…

Eric \"Funky Dung\" Williams presents Still Amusing the Church to Death posted at Ales Rarus. Presented for discussion are some good rules for discerning the liturgical appropriateness of songs….]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9508 Squat Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:41:30 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9508 "The purpose of the word “rap” is to act as a replacement for “negro jungle,” the words used in the original racist arguments. Cut the word “rap,” and the sentence actually makes more sense and fits in with the argument Challies is making." i beg to differ. i come from a pretty good musical background and have enjoyed listening to many different types of music in the past. if you cut the word "rap" out, it makes less sense. better yet, try replacing it with other types of music, ie: a hard driving metal beat, or a hard driving country beat. it just doesn't stir up the same kinds of feelings that a hard driving rap beat does. any good music(rap, country, metal, classical etc) should stir up some kind of emotion. if it dosen't, the composer is doing something wrong and, most likely, will not be popular. as far as "picking" on rap music, since when is rap a "black vs, white" thing. i know plenty of white people who listen to rap. i also know of many black people who listen to metal and hardcore. there have been good white rappers (i disclude vanilla ice ;-)) as well as many good black metal/hardcore musicians. music is not race or gender specific. music is universal. though you will find that a certain genre of music may have a greater appeal to a certain group of people (be it race, religion, or geographic) it is not limited to that group. i agree to the orignal comment about rap music as it pertains to the current rap (and even some of the newer wave of what i call "rapcore", the mix of rap and hardcore, ex:korn and it's ilk). the older rap didn't have the same type of driving beat. the driving beat we have nowadays is digitaly generated. you can't get those types of tones from a bass guitar. and with what type of music do you almost never see a bass player (let alone any band at all). rap. it's all done with sampling, scratchin, and digital enhancements. you just don't get that with any other type of genre.
i beg to differ. i come from a pretty good musical background and have enjoyed listening to many different types of music in the past. if you cut the word "rap" out, it makes less sense. better yet, try replacing it with other types of music, ie: a hard driving metal beat, or a hard driving country beat. it just doesn't stir up the same kinds of feelings that a hard driving rap beat does. any good music(rap, country, metal, classical etc) should stir up some kind of emotion. if it dosen't, the composer is doing something wrong and, most likely, will not be popular.
as far as "picking" on rap music, since when is rap a "black vs, white" thing. i know plenty of white people who listen to rap. i also know of many black people who listen to metal and hardcore. there have been good white rappers (i disclude vanilla ice ;-)) as well as many good black metal/hardcore musicians. music is not race or gender specific. music is universal. though you will find that a certain genre of music may have a greater appeal to a certain group of people (be it race, religion, or geographic) it is not limited to that group.
i agree to the orignal comment about rap music as it pertains to the current rap (and even some of the newer wave of what i call "rapcore", the mix of rap and hardcore, ex:korn and it's ilk). the older rap didn't have the same type of driving beat. the driving beat we have nowadays is digitaly generated. you can't get those types of tones from a bass guitar. and with what type of music do you almost never see a bass player (let alone any band at all). rap. it's all done with sampling, scratchin, and digital enhancements. you just don't get that with any other type of genre.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9506 Rob Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:44:36 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9506 Anglican, I was the one who warned F.D. about the line. The quote is an almost direct quote from a Bob Jones pamphlet from 1971 that railed against the effect "negro" music was having on "white" children. Bob Jones wasn't the first, nor the last to use the argument. Look at the sentence: "hard, driving rap beat." What's the purpose of the word "rap?" Musically, there is no "rap" beat. Most rappers sample from other music, and I've heard classical, country and western, and even Gregorian chants sampled in rap. Yes, it usually (not always) has a strong beat, but so does a lot of classical music and traditional Christian hymnody. The purpose of the word "rap" is to act as a replacement for "negro jungle," the words used in the original racist arguments. Cut the word "rap," and the sentence actually makes more sense and fits in with the argument Challies is making. I doubt Challies understood what he was repeating. F.D. is too young to remember the overt racists that tried to use Christianity to prop themselves up, the folks who invented the above lines. "Appeals to racism have become the last refuge of those who demand immunity from criticism" has nothing to do with it. The phrasing is extremely offensive to those of us who knew where it originated. I easily could have posted the quote and a link on some e-mail lists for African-Americans and multi-racial people and sat back and watched the nuke-fest. I didn't, because F.D. is a friend.
I was the one who warned F.D. about the line.

The quote is an almost direct quote from a Bob Jones pamphlet from 1971 that railed against the effect "negro" music was having on "white" children. Bob Jones wasn't the first, nor the last to use the argument.

Look at the sentence: "hard, driving rap beat." What's the purpose of the word "rap?" Musically, there is no "rap" beat. Most rappers sample from other music, and I've heard classical, country and western, and even Gregorian chants sampled in rap. Yes, it usually (not always) has a strong beat, but so does a lot of classical music and traditional Christian hymnody.

The purpose of the word "rap" is to act as a replacement for "negro jungle," the words used in the original racist arguments. Cut the word "rap," and the sentence actually makes more sense and fits in with the argument Challies is making.

I doubt Challies understood what he was repeating. F.D. is too young to remember the overt racists that tried to use Christianity to prop themselves up, the folks who invented the above lines.

"Appeals to racism have become the last refuge of those who demand immunity from criticism" has nothing to do with it. The phrasing is extremely offensive to those of us who knew where it originated.

I easily could have posted the quote and a link on some e-mail lists for African-Americans and multi-racial people and sat back and watched the nuke-fest. I didn't, because F.D. is a friend.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9482 Laudemus Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:01:16 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9482 I agree with the authors' tests. Some music is not suitable for worship. I just went to an evangelical Protestant wedding, and someone at the reception sang a song called "Precious Savior" to the tune of "Pretty Woman." It was kinda funny, but I couldn't stop thinking about the lyrics to the original song (which really aren't that bad compared to many lyrics nowadays). If that song had been used during a worship service, I would have been far more focused on the tune than the words.
I just went to an evangelical Protestant wedding, and someone at the reception sang a song called "Precious Savior" to the tune of "Pretty Woman." It was kinda funny, but I couldn't stop thinking about the lyrics to the original song (which really aren't that bad compared to many lyrics nowadays). If that song had been used during a worship service, I would have been far more focused on the tune than the words.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9462 The Waffling Anglican Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:37:31 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9462 If someone finds that comment racist, I think they seriously need to get a grip. Appeals to racism have become the last refuge of those who demand immunity from criticism. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9459 Squat Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:58:10 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2277#comment-9459 "old school"? you think that dj jazzy jeff was "old school"? man, when you said that i though you meant the late-70's early 80's old school rap. the kind that was almost funk. you know, like the sugar hill gang, run-dmc, or even ll cool j in his early days. but heck, i used to listen to nwa, easy-e, and 2 live crew. though i really considered them "old school". ;-) ]]>