http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:23:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9604 Rob Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:13:02 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9604 Women's breasts are not sexual organs. They are not involved in reproduction directly. They are secondary sexual characteristics, and as such, both men and women's breasts are secondary sexual organs. Biologically, it's absurd to say that men's breasts aren't sexual organs but women's are. If anything, because they are smaller, the male breast tends to have more nerves per square mm. With proper stimulation, a male breast can begin lactating. It's not easy, but it's still capable of performing the same function as a female's. At the Mother's Day Walk and Run, you'll see a number of people walking for male breast cancer patients. Unfortunately, due to society's idiocy, most of the men are dead. The cancer's not caught as early in men and so treatment begins too late. Culturally, breasts aren't considered sexual in many cultures. You people are all arguing from culture and claiming it's some sort of moral imperative. To the Yanomami, female breasts are simply ways to feed infants. They aren't covered in public. People don't stare at them. They're just milk glands. Big whoop. Having been to Germany, where female breasts are occasionally seen on TV and in magazines, and St. Maarten, where toplessness is common and there are even nude beaches, all the people can pick out the Americans. We're the ones that stare. We're the ones with the unhealthy obsession with breasts.
Biologically, it's absurd to say that men's breasts aren't sexual organs but women's are. If anything, because they are smaller, the male breast tends to have more nerves per square mm. With proper stimulation, a male breast can begin lactating. It's not easy, but it's still capable of performing the same function as a female's.

At the Mother's Day Walk and Run, you'll see a number of people walking for male breast cancer patients. Unfortunately, due to society's idiocy, most of the men are dead. The cancer's not caught as early in men and so treatment begins too late.

Culturally, breasts aren't considered sexual in many cultures. You people are all arguing from culture and claiming it's some sort of moral imperative. To the Yanomami, female breasts are simply ways to feed infants. They aren't covered in public. People don't stare at them. They're just milk glands. Big whoop.

Having been to Germany, where female breasts are occasionally seen on TV and in magazines, and St. Maarten, where toplessness is common and there are even nude beaches, all the people can pick out the Americans.

We're the ones that stare. We're the ones with the unhealthy obsession with breasts.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9586 edey Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:15:50 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9586 amy, while avh (and i for that matter) would agree that women's breasts should be covered, that quotation refers to her reproductive system. unlike the male reproductive organ, which is external, the woman's organs are internal. mark, "“When men are around a woman who is known to be very ‘relaxed’ in the style conversation she’ll tolerate (or encourage) they tend to forget that a woman should be shown the respect of not hearing about sex lives, body parts and bathroom humor, simply because she is a woman.” i agree, but as one of those women who is relaxed, i think both people have a part to play. yes, no matter how relaxed i am, i still deserve the respect of not hearing about those topics. however, i could (and i try to) make it easier for guys by not being so relaxed. same thing goes the other direction. there are some things guys don't want to hear about and women should treat a man as a man even if he doesn't facilitate the process, but it helps if he does. a woman is still a woman no matter how she dresses and acts and deserves the respect as such. same goes for a man.
while avh (and i for that matter) would agree that women's breasts should be covered, that quotation refers to her reproductive system. unlike the male reproductive organ, which is external, the woman's organs are internal.

mark,

"“When men are around a woman who is known to be very ‘relaxed’ in the style conversation she’ll tolerate (or encourage) they tend to forget that a woman should be shown the respect of not hearing about sex lives, body parts and bathroom humor, simply because she is a woman.”

i agree, but as one of those women who is relaxed, i think both people have a part to play. yes, no matter how relaxed i am, i still deserve the respect of not hearing about those topics. however, i could (and i try to) make it easier for guys by not being so relaxed. same thing goes the other direction. there are some things guys don't want to hear about and women should treat a man as a man even if he doesn't facilitate the process, but it helps if he does. a woman is still a woman no matter how she dresses and acts and deserves the respect as such. same goes for a man.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9562 Ales Rarus - A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog » Cotidiana Celeria Nexa Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:07:20 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9562 [...] Breast Years of His Life Well, this adds an odd twist to the man boobs debate. (language alert) (tags: breasts implants weird Zembic gambling) [...] http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9534 Karla Mon, 10 Apr 2006 22:07:39 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9534 I, me personally, think that women should cover their breasts, because the dulling effect is precisely what I want to avoid. I want my breasts to be exciting and saved only for one man to see. I want my breasts to be exciting for him. I don't want him to think of sex and the female body as no big deal. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9461 Squat Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:08:38 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9461 all seriousness aside, i dig the baywatch picture. he is SO sucking it in. HA :-D ]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9456 Mark La Roi Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:35:18 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9456 "To borrow a line from my buddy Peter (aka Theomorph), you folks have missed the point and spectacularly so. Instead of defending the hiding of women’s breasts and not telling dirty jokes to women, look at matters from the other end, as the author intended, and wonder, “Why are men’s breasts OK to bare (but not women’s)? Why is it OK for men to tell dirty jokes to each other (but not women)?”, etc." ~I haven't talked about it because Amy already answered that. Certain parts of the woman's body remain covered because they are intimate organs. Why not a man's chest? A woman's breasts are intimate for her child, and for her lover. Woman's breasts are clearly given a special designation in Song of Solomon. While some women (and increasingly more as women become more aggresively sexual) are excited by the sight of male flesh, the male chest is not an organ of special designation. The...male sex organ (keepin' it above board here 'cause I never know whose reading) is given special attention in scripture. It is the point of covenential identification in the Old Testament, and while the Roman men in the baths walked around happily naked, some Jewish men had surgeries to appear as if uncircumcised so that they could freely join in the baths and do business as the Romans did. That's why men don't go around with their pants off, but can go shirtless, and why women should wear top and bottom. In fact, both sexes should consider the feelings and possible weaknesses of the other sex, and consider just how much they will expose and where. As far as dirty jokes go, we all know it's inappropriate for Christian men OR women to tell or even laugh along with, dirty jokes. As far as unsaved men and women, we can only share what is <i>best</i>.
~I haven't talked about it because Amy already answered that. Certain parts of the woman's body remain covered because they are intimate organs. Why not a man's chest? A woman's breasts are intimate for her child, and for her lover. Woman's breasts are clearly given a special designation in Song of Solomon. While some women (and increasingly more as women become more aggresively sexual) are excited by the sight of male flesh, the male chest is not an organ of special designation.

The…male sex organ (keepin' it above board here 'cause I never know whose reading) is given special attention in scripture. It is the point of covenential identification in the Old Testament, and while the Roman men in the baths walked around happily naked, some Jewish men had surgeries to appear as if uncircumcised so that they could freely join in the baths and do business as the Romans did.

That's why men don't go around with their pants off, but can go shirtless, and why women should wear top and bottom. In fact, both sexes should consider the feelings and possible weaknesses of the other sex, and consider just how much they will expose and where.

As far as dirty jokes go, we all know it's inappropriate for Christian men OR women to tell or even laugh along with, dirty jokes. As far as unsaved men and women, we can only share what is best.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9455 advogado de diabo Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:17:13 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9455 The best idea I can come up with is that womens breasts are sexual organs, men's are not. Womens breasts are sexual in that they are much more sensitive than other parts of the body, they are erotic to men, and they have a reproductive role. If other men are aroused by seeing your womans breasts it stands to reason you want them covered up. To be honest, I don't know if I really believe this argument myself. Some cultures cover the entire woman from head to toe. We draw the line at nipples, and I can't fully explain why. I also find it strange that clevage is acceptable in many situations, which is something most men do not have, but nipples which men do have is the part that must remain covered.
Womens breasts are sexual in that they are much more sensitive than other parts of the body, they are erotic to men, and they have a reproductive role.

If other men are aroused by seeing your womans breasts it stands to reason you want them covered up.

To be honest, I don't know if I really believe this argument myself. Some cultures cover the entire woman from head to toe. We draw the line at nipples, and I can't fully explain why. I also find it strange that clevage is acceptable in many situations, which is something most men do not have, but nipples which men do have is the part that must remain covered.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9449 Funky Dung Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:27:23 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9449 To borrow a line from my buddy Peter (aka Theomorph), you folks have missed the point and spectacularly so. Instead of defending the hiding of women's breasts and not telling dirty jokes to women, look at matters from the other end, as the author intended, and wonder, "Why are men's breasts OK to bare (but not women's)? Why is it OK for men to tell dirty jokes to each other (but not women)?", etc. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9448 Mark La Roi Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:22:30 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9448 At the risk of sounding snarky, which I'm not trying to be, that IS how it is so I'm not sure what further answer is needed, unless I'm not answering the proper question. Why is this the way it is? It's the way humans are geared psychologically and genetically. There are exceptions, but they are just that: exceptions. We (humans) like water running downhill, tend to take the easiest way out of any given situation. While that isn't always a bad thing, it does cause harm in many situations, and interpersonal relations is one of those areas. We'd rather avoid topics than vigorously debate them, ("I don't talk about politics or religion") we say "to each his own" rather than recognize that there is right and wrong and if we don't (carefully and when the opportunity presents itself) share what is right then we've actually done just another wrong, and it's more "fun and easy" to make sex jokes with a woman to see how far we can go rather than to hold the high ground in our conversation for the glory of God instead of our own pleasure. I think the summation of the issue is "let's stop trying". The push is to give in to human nature, but human nature will lead us down the wrong path every time if we let it. Jealousy, envy, lust, pride, greed and so on, have to be controlled or else they will happily take over, and who can glorify God with those behaviors at the wheel? Even if one is not Christian, laws based on God's ways still prove to be effective at keeping order in a society down to a level that often goes completely unrecognized. Imagine if nobody had sex until they were married, and they stayed married because their families had taught them how to be well married. That would impact society in such a way as it would not be recognizable compared to what the world has today. There's be no porn industry, lawyers who specialize in divorce, domestic violence would be at an extremely low rate, economies would be far more stable, drug use would be way down, bankruptcies would be way down... there are lots more effects that would be in existence, all by following God's principles.
We (humans) like water running downhill, tend to take the easiest way out of any given situation. While that isn't always a bad thing, it does cause harm in many situations, and interpersonal relations is one of those areas.

We'd rather avoid topics than vigorously debate them, ("I don't talk about politics or religion") we say "to each his own" rather than recognize that there is right and wrong and if we don't (carefully and when the opportunity presents itself) share what is right then we've actually done just another wrong, and it's more "fun and easy" to make sex jokes with a woman to see how far we can go rather than to hold the high ground in our conversation for the glory of God instead of our own pleasure.

I think the summation of the issue is "let's stop trying". The push is to give in to human nature, but human nature will lead us down the wrong path every time if we let it. Jealousy, envy, lust, pride, greed and so on, have to be controlled or else they will happily take over, and who can glorify God with those behaviors at the wheel?

Even if one is not Christian, laws based on God's ways still prove to be effective at keeping order in a society down to a level that often goes completely unrecognized.

Imagine if nobody had sex until they were married, and they stayed married because their families had taught them how to be well married. That would impact society in such a way as it would not be recognizable compared to what the world has today. There's be no porn industry, lawyers who specialize in divorce, domestic violence would be at an extremely low rate, economies would be far more stable, drug use would be way down, bankruptcies would be way down… there are lots more effects that would be in existence, all by following God's principles.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9437 Tom Smith Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:10:23 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/2273#comment-9437 "When men are around a woman who is known to be very 'relaxed' in the style conversation she’ll tolerate (or encourage) they tend to forget that a woman should be shown the respect of not hearing about sex lives, body parts and bathroom humor, simply because she is a woman." I don't disagree. But why is this the case? It seems that you're giving the same answer to the boob question that the initial article criticizes -- the "well, that's just how it is" answer.
I don't disagree. But why is this the case? It seems that you're giving the same answer to the boob question that the initial article criticizes — the "well, that's just how it is" answer.]]>