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By: theomorph

theomorph — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

"Pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo will directly cause her death."

Is it that clear? Plugging her in in the first place directly delayed her death, but is the cessation of efforts to delay death equal to causing death?

If your efforts are keeping another person alive who could not otherwise life, and you cease those efforts, have you caused the death of that person? Or merely allowed other causes already in action to follow their course?

By: Tom Smith

Tom Smith — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

…on the same level as actual murderers.

By: Keith

Keith — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Advanced directive a nice phrase which means suicide and nothing more.

We have no right to die, we have no right to take our own life.

We may choose to take our life, we may choose to employee another to take our life for us, but rights come from God and Gid alone.

God gave us not right to die.

By: Tom Smith

Tom Smith — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

For the same reasons that I don't think that abortion constitutes murder, I don't think it stands to call the Schiavo case murder.

Murder implies illegality, first off. Since those who wish to see her let go are working within the law, they aren't murderers. Killers, maybe, but not murderers.

Secondly, murder implies a malicious intent. Does Michael Schiavo really loathe his former wife, to the point of wanting to kill her? I don't know; we really can't judge that. I don't think so. He feels her an inconvenience, obviously, but is that malice? Do those who support her euthanasia have malice towards Terri Schiavo? From the sheer number of those in this nation who've been fired up by this event, I'm sure there are those who favor her death sheerly for malice. But those that do probably aren't the ones working directly to get her plug pulled.

Pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo will directly cause her death. But causing death is not the same as murder. The equivocation that the use of the term "murder" causes, perhaps inadvertently, puts everyone who supports Terri Schiavo's death

By: Tom Smith

Tom Smith — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I'd say that when the feeding tube was emergency intervention, it wouldn't've been causing her death to get rid of the tube; rather, it would've been only allowing her death.

It strikes me that the feeding tube is no longer an emergency intervention, but has been established as a status quo (if you will); removing it would be causing her death. Just as denying food to a locked-away prisoner is killing, so it is in this case.

(Just some thoughts. I could be persuaded otherwise.)

By: gbm3

gbm3 — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I'm responding to the plea (this is my first post to any blog):
"What say you, Christian readers of my blog?"

My reply:

His initial statement is false. In Gods infinite love and wisdom, he has given free will to the human race. The acts of suicide and murder are not wrong in so far as they take away Gods desires for the course of our life.

Think of it in terms of macro and micro life management. God desires that we live out our lives in the pursuit of loving him and our world (agape love) in parallel with God and others loving us. How we fulfill this is up to us, with His grace and guidance, or by ourselves in rejecting Him.

Murder and suicide are manifestations of rejected love. With faith and hope, love blossoms. Prayer, medicine, and other medical technologies give hope and manifest love from caregivers and others.

As far as when medical means are futile, the RCC says that ordinary means should be maintained indefinitely, whereas extraordinary means are optional, i.e., feeding and providing water for someone versus employing an artificial breathing device.

(Catechism of the Catholic Church Reference ( http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7Z.HTM ):

Euthanasia

2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons.
It is morally unacceptable.

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator.
The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

2278 Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment.
Here one does not will to cause death; one's inability to impede it is merely accepted.
The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.

2279 Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted.
The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable
Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity.
As such it should be encouraged.)

By: theomorph

theomorph — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

If suicide or murder are wrong because they contravene God's alleged desires for the course of a life, how can you not apply the same reasoning to technological attempts to extend a life in the face of otherwise insurmountable difficulties? I.e., if a person would die without medical intervention, how is medical intervention also not a contravention of God's apparent desires? If "rights come from God and God alone," then the right to live also comes from God and God alone, does it not? How does one ascertain when God has removed that right, beyond which point all human efforts to maintain life are in opposition to the will or desire of God?

By: theomorph

theomorph — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Oops. Second paragraph, "life" should be "live."

By: theomorph

theomorph — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Still with the "murder" talk.

How is it "murder" to cease the technological alteration of a course that would have naturally been death? Would it have still been "murder" if she had formulated an advance directive or living will twenty years ago and explicitly asked that a feeding tube or other life support be removed after medical hopelessness had been ascertained? Or would it be "suicide"? Would that be any better, from a religious standpoint?

If we create medical technology that allows us to tinker with a person's metabolism despite the body's inability to sustain itself naturally, are we then obligated to use it? Can it be merely the prior decision of the individual in question (i.e., the presence or absence of an advance directive or living will) that creates the opportunity to commit murder, in which case the action of removing the feeding tube would be absolutely identical in either case except for the presence of a document? By introducing the concept of "murder" have we not backed ourselves into an ethical corner created not by any divine decree but by the vagaries of our own legal system? But if we are going to operate within the parameters of our legal system, why should we call it murder if that system does not call it murder?