Comments on: Dreadful Cthulumas

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

*waves hands*

Hi, Liberal Christian.

In fact, a Quaker. I'm as liberal as you will find.

By: Jerry Nora

Jerry Nora — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

A George Will essay on this subject sparked the article in the Economist and another in the Washington Post. The wide agreement across those three sources (with the Economist sort of standing between the Post and Will ideologically, albeit from a British view) is notable, and one of them, at least, said that the younger crew is further to the left than their elders. I'll look that up for you, though.

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

A interesting question, I agree. We don't tend to qualify things very well.

It's amusing- I think we're reading the same stuff, and coming to different conclusions. But that is also wonderful,and good, so I'm not complaining.

WHich version of FnP are you reading?

By: John

John — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Also, you went seemlessly from talking about anti-Christian bias to anti-conservative bias.

Be careful about that. There can be liberal Christians and conservtive atheists.

By: Jerry Nora

Jerry Nora — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

And Tom, thanks for asking for proof. I hate it when people chase each other's tails with groundless arguments. It helps make this blog better!

By: John

John — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

And what priests have been indicted for such thoughtcrimes?
Also, if it is in the domain of a priest to discuss politics, is it not in the domain of the parishoner to be sure that he does not do so in an immoral way?

By: Funky Dung

Funky Dung — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I have two editions, 1972 and 1997. I prefer the older one because it has poetry sprinkled throughout.

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I use the 1997, although I do have access to the latest one when I'm at home, which I just searched for and can't find *chuckles* but I believe is 2000 or so.

Could I ask, how do you define conseravtive/liberal christianity?

By: Funky Dung

Funky Dung — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I'd also add that though most of the symbols are borrowed from pagan religions, those religions haven't been practiced by more than a handful of people for a very very long time. Those symbols became thoroughly Christianized, in that most ordinary folks didn't know about the old meanings. For many generations in this country, Christmas was most definitely a solemn religious holiday, albeit with a healthy dose of fun thrown in. Recently, it seems as though the PC police want to roll back the clock to the pagan days so that Christ can be ignored during this season. Christianity is being specifically targeted and discriminated against. There's no rebellion against Channukah. A menorrah can be called a menorrah and not be taken down. God forbid you have a Christmas tree or throw a Christmas party. Someobidy might be offended. *grumble*

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I'm so glad I found this blog.

Intelligent discourse. Now, I happen to disagree, but let the discussions begin.

I'll start with Jerry:

1. Please give some sort of proof or substantiation to that claim. Basically, what you are saying is that hiring practicies bias against one side or another based on their beliefs. That works for either side equally as well. What you have to show to gain any traction with that point (at least in universities), is that universities throughout the nation bias against conservative thinkers. And I'm sure you'll agree that there are significant numbers of conservative universities, and professors.

2. Media. This just seems to be a general rehash of the "liberal media" arguement. Regardless of if we accept the arguement, we've seen over the last years that the media does impact viewership. The largest viewed news shows? Those on Fox News. The most impact on viewer's views? Please look at the PIAP study on common misconceptions regarding the war in Iraq, and Fox News.

3. Media Cont. Please show me how the media are attacking and destroying christmas for all those who want to celebrate the "Christian" version of it.

Onto Funky Dung:

1. I agree with you about adoption of the holiday.

2. And every other day there is an article about how moral values won the election, and how that should be reflected in the government. I also do not see "jesusland" ever used in any mainstream media outlet. Please show where it has been. Regardless, talk about issues, talk about what happened, does not mean a vast conspiracy. In a country where the seperation of chruch and state is of the greatest importance, it does strike a chord with many people that a majority voted based on morals, and not issues. Whether that is good or bad is up for each individual to decide.

3. Spying. Please reference? explain? Etc. We do it to mosques, I know. Are we using the FBI and CIA to infiltrate christian as well as muslim churches?

4. yes, yes you do. Please show examples of the ACLU attacking christians for practicing their beliefs on private property. The same comment regarding the non-Christian half not tolerating Christians could be made about the Christian half not tolerating Non-Christians.... and I can find you many many cases of people trying to put G-d into situations where not everyone believes in him.