http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354 A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:33:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-9974 Ales Rarus - A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog » Signs and Ceremonies: Sacrifice Sat, 13 May 2006 23:07:54 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-9974 [...] Signs and Ceremonies The Real Presence The Incarnation The Virgin Mary The Redemption [...] http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-14 Ales Rarus - A Rare Bird, A Strange Duck, One Funky Blog » Signs, Symbols, and Reality Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:16:52 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-14 [...] Signs and Ceremonies The Real Presence The Incarnation The Virgin Mary The Redemption [...] http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-601 Funky Dung Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-601 <blockquote>"The ceremonies have by no means held constant throughout time."</blockquote><br /><br />From what little I've read and what I've learned from the Oratorians, you might be quite surprised at just how similar the ancient Mass was to ours. "The ceremonies have by no means held constant throughout time."

From what little I've read and what I've learned from the Oratorians, you might be quite surprised at just how similar the ancient Mass was to ours.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-602 Funky Dung Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-602 <blockquote>"You can't ask people to give the Church credibility while simultaneoulsy refusing to admit that it is responsible for its wrongdoings."</blockquote>I'm doing no such thing. There is a distinct difference between doctrines and the sinful acts of man. Acknowledging wrongdoings by the Church or her representatives is not one in the same with challenging the Deposit of Faith. To give a secular example, one could take Bush to task for his misdeeds without blaming the works of the founding fathers, such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights (It's not a perfect analogy, but it's good enough for spur of the moment.) "You can't ask people to give the Church credibility while simultaneoulsy refusing to admit that it is responsible for its wrongdoings."I'm doing no such thing. There is a distinct difference between doctrines and the sinful acts of man. Acknowledging wrongdoings by the Church or her representatives is not one in the same with challenging the Deposit of Faith. To give a secular example, one could take Bush to task for his misdeeds without blaming the works of the founding fathers, such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights (It's not a perfect analogy, but it's good enough for spur of the moment.)]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-603 John Thompson Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-603 Another shining monument to the fact that, no matter how patently absurd an idea is, if you simply repeat it over and over and over again, eventually even otherwise perceptive people will eventually fall for it. http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-604 Funky Dung Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-604 Care to clarify? http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-605 John Thompson Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-605 The most pious mass that you can imagine would have been dismissed as heretical at one point or another. The ceremonies have by no means held constant throughout time. <br /><br />Also, enough of this nonsense argument aobut "the pope saying we should burn peope alive for disagreeing with him isn't really the church doing somehting because...". No. That's garbage. You can't ask people to give the Church credibility while simultaneoulsy refusing to admit that it is responsible for its wrongdoings.
Also, enough of this nonsense argument aobut "the pope saying we should burn peope alive for disagreeing with him isn't really the church doing somehting because…". No. That's garbage. You can't ask people to give the Church credibility while simultaneoulsy refusing to admit that it is responsible for its wrongdoings.]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-606 John Thompson Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-606 The notion that the Church is unchanging is not at all accurate. It has been in a constant state of change. What's more, the vast majority of the changes have been very good. It's certainly nice that we no longer have a pope who swears that if his own parents spoke against him that he would "carry the faggots to their pyre" <br /><br />It's good that the Church no longer decides whether a person is moral by scalding their hands and seeing if the burns getting infected. <br /><br />The Church has been slowly but surely casting off the vestiges of savageness with were left over from the dark times when it rose as an institution.<br /><br />These changes in no way limit its ability to o'erwhelm the gates of hell. (although to be fair, that's really a poorly selected metonomy. Gates by their nature not threatening. They could only prevail against us if our goal was to get into hell.)
It's good that the Church no longer decides whether a person is moral by scalding their hands and seeing if the burns getting infected.

The Church has been slowly but surely casting off the vestiges of savageness with were left over from the dark times when it rose as an institution.

These changes in no way limit its ability to o'erwhelm the gates of hell. (although to be fair, that's really a poorly selected metonomy. Gates by their nature not threatening. They could only prevail against us if our goal was to get into hell.)]]> http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/archives/1354#comment-607 Funky Dung Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/wordpress/archives/1355#comment-607 What you address is not what the author or Joe Theologian means by "unchanging". The atrocities you describe are not issues of dogma, doctrine, or devotion. Meagher is referring to unchanging and unwavering faith. Since in his time the Mass was chock full of symbolism of dogma, doctrine, and devotion, he thought that it was immune to change as well. Sadly, he was wrong. The vernacular is fine; clown "Masses" are not.